Ernesto Valverde - V1

[DonAK]

I mean, this is obviously an issue.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...9/641/2673/0/p#key_passes/chances_created#avg

 

[Luftstalag14]

We've never been so far behind though.

And you're right about the midfield. Real Madrid also got another outlet in crosses which we don't have unless Paulinho's playing.

Good point, no wonder them and Bayern are always on top . I guess Manchester United is behind perhaps because most of their crosses did not find their own players...

 

[DonAK]

I looked back to last season again and Mateo Kovacic, Real Madrid's 4th choice midfielder comes out better than Rakitic.

 

[khaled_a_d]

I mean, this is obviously an issue.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...9/641/2673/0/p#key_passes/chances_created#avg

Iniesta has same number of key passes and better chance created than Modric per 90 minutes, and we have a different set up since Messi will always try to be a play maker to some extent ( it is almost his biggest strength atm) while in RM those 2 have the reigns to be the playmakers, Coutinho has all the keys to create every thing for Liverpool in addition to 3 great attackers in off the ball movements. Rakitic is obviusly shit in play making.
I mean it is obvious we need a midfielder, but the whole "we are 27th in chance created" in a stat taken out of context

 

[DonAK]

Iniesta has same number of key passes and better chance created than Modric per 90 minutes, and we have a different set up since Messi will always try to be a play maker to some extent ( it is almost his biggest strength atm) while in RM those 2 have the reigns to be the playmakers, Coutinho has all the keys to create every thing for Liverpool in addition to 3 great attackers in off the ball movements. Rakitic is obviusly shit in play making.
I mean it is obvious we need a midfielder, but the whole "we are 27th in chance created" in a stat taken out of context

There are some key factors leading to that like Rakitic being shit, Suarez out of form and Dembele injured and Neymar gone to PSG.

If you compare Suarez stats last few seasons to his stats so far this season it's really bad.

 

[MessiCam]

A system that had its legs chopped off before it had even begun with Dembele getting injured. Further the coach has only been here for 100 days. Let’s look at these stats come December at the soonest.

On an individual basis when comparing players then yeah, go for it.

Other than that Valverde’s approach since his Bilbao days has always been about patience when on the ball. I’m actually surprised we’re that high.

 

[Luftstalag14]

A system that had its legs chopped off before it had even begun with Dembele getting injured. Further the coach has only been here for 100 days. Let’s look at these stats come December at the soonest.

On an individual basis when comparing players then yeah, go for it.

Other than that Valverde’s approach since his Bilbao days has always been about patience when on the ball. I’m actually surprised we’re that high.

Dembele shouldn't have been the pivot of our attacking game in my opinion. He is 20 and he is a new addition, it will take time for him to grow into the team and have his impact felt. Without him we shouldn't have had a big gaping hole anyway. We will see after he returns.

On the highlighted part, what is Valverde's approach anyway? Just hold the ball and do nothing?

 

[MessiCam]

Dembele shouldn't have been the pivot of our attacking game in my opinion. He is 20 and he is a new addition, it will take time for him to grow into the team and have his impact felt. Without him we shouldn't have had a big gaping hole anyway. We will see after he returns.

On the highlighted part, what is Valverde's approach anyway? Just hold the ball and do nothing?

No man. They don't rush attacks or just blindly go forward... He likes control. Take the chances created stats presented here for example. Per Opta, of those chances created, the clear cut or big chances created stats are as follows...

Real Madrid - 34
Man City - 32
Barcelona - 29
Dortmund - 26
Napoli - 24
Bayern - 22
Man Utd - 21
Lazio - 20

As for Dembele, he was always going to be important for us up front by either chipping in with goals or creating them and wing play is pivotal to the Barcelona way and that's why it's been so frustrating because even though Deulofeu, on his day, can be a menace he is notoriously inconsistent and one dimensional. Dembele, himself inconsistent at times, is all together a different kettle of fish. Did you see how he and Messi's interchanging of positions caused Juventus all sorts of issues. It always left either with an ungodly amount of space. It led to both the 2nd and 3rd goals. The Juventus game was by far our best and most interesting game because it's the only game where both Iniesta and Rakitic played at a high level and the midfield plus Messi as False 9 accounted for over 25% of the possession and they completed over 300 passes between them.

 

[khaled_a_d]

No man. They don't rush attacks or just blindly go forward... He likes control. Take the chances created stats presented here for example. Per Opta, of those chances created, the clear cut or big chances created stats are as follows...

Real Madrid - 34
Man City - 32
Barcelona - 29
Dortmund - 26
Napoli - 24
Bayern - 22
Man Utd - 21
Lazio - 20

As for Dembele, he was always going to be important for us up front by either chipping in with goals or creating them and wing play is pivotal to the Barcelona way and that's why it's been so frustrating because even though Deulofeu, on his day, can be a menace he is notoriously inconsistent and one dimensional. Dembele, himself inconsistent at times, is all together a different kettle of fish. Did you see how he and Messi's interchanging of positions caused Juventus all sorts of issues. It always left either with an ungodly amount of space. It led to both the 2nd and 3rd goals. The Juventus game was by far our best and most interesting game because it's the only game where both Iniesta and Rakitic played at a high level and the midfield plus Messi as False 9 accounted for over 25% of the possession and they completed over 300 passes between them.

This, Dembele might not be the greatest player already, but he is still our second best attacker considering Suarez form, it is always a problem when you lose such player

 

[MessiCam]

This, Dembele might not be the greatest player already, but he is still our second best attacker considering Suarez form, it is always a problem when you lose such player

Yep. Dembele on the field would benefit Suarez too. He can put in some wicked crosses...

 

[MessiCam]

Zidane in the same sentence as vision and planning? Lol. Zidane is so one dimensional it's scary... He's reduced a world class midfield to being spectators for large parts of the game due to his cross heavy system. He panics too... When things aren't going for him he overloads the pitch with forwards playing, you guessed it, a cross heavy game.

He's tried 4-3-3 with Isco/Bale as a wide men, he's tried 4-3-1-2 with Isco as enganche and he's even tried 4-4-2 but he still ends up playing a cross heavy game. His bacon has been saved on so many occasions by the individual quality they have on counter attacks. They're devastating on the counter.

From yesterday. Doing it again when things don't go their way... Pointless crosses.

There they get a penalty for an infraction out of the box.

 

[JamDav1982]

One of the biggest things miss with Dembele and Ney not there is the pace in behind.

A few games teams have pushed a higher line as no real threat in behind them and when Messi gets on ball it is one less option for him.

Girona did it, Sporting did it and they suffocated Messi a bit and kept him further away from the penalty area.

Dembele back teams cant do it as easily, probably decide to sit a bit deeper when now have another threat with likes of Paulinho in box.

 

[KingLeo10]

comical lineup today, this is the danger with mid table coaches. they come to big teams and think "oh it's barca, of course i can swap players around and put out abysmal lineups but still get the win"

 

[Aryagorn]

Asshole..... Why Rakitic!? Why Gomes in wings!? What the fuck is wrong with you

 

[Devils]

FRAUDverde.