Denis Suarez

clemente

clemente

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The passing should be way better for a midfielder and a barca product, I'm just dissapointed by him, hurts to see someone like Asensio being younger and already miles better than him.
 
DonAK

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
clemente said:
The passing should be way better for a midfielder and a barca product, I'm just dissapointed by him, hurts to see someone like Asensio being younger and already miles better than him.
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Not a Barca product though. Would be like saying Marlon is a Barca product too. Both came and played for Barca B straight away from other teams.

Even in Barca B, his best position was as a LW.

Just don't think he has a future at Barca as a midfielder. Thought he could grow to the level required, but doesn't seem like he will.

Backup winger at most.
 
fergus90

fergus90

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Denis is way to passive at times, the kind of player who's effective when you're already winning 3-0 and the opposition has opened up. He'll never be more than a squad player here I don't think. He's being overtaken in development by players younger than him in the U21s.
 
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ebieymjunior

Senior Member
fergus90 said:
Denis is way to passive at times, the kind of player who's effective when you're already winning 3-0 and the opposition has opened up. He'll never be more than a squad player here I don't think. He's being overtaken in development by players younger than him in the U21s.
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This is not really meant to be directed at you, but I'm tired of people saying such and such player will never be this or that. The truth is you never know.
We complain when we only buy big stars and don't get cheap talent, then we complain when we go for the cheaper prospects.
Truth is, if you're serious about developing any player, especially around the age of Denis, he has a big chance of becoming really good.

Xavi and Iniesta didn't become superstars at once, as a matter of fact, at a time people booed them and didn't think they'd make it, and it took believing in them, and training them properly while letting them grow in confidence!
We missed out on Thiago because we didn't show confidence in him, same thing with so many of our players in recent memory, while salivating at other team's players,
but guess how they became so good...
If we continue with the same mentality, we might as well never promote any player ever again, cause most, if not all, will need time and a lot of reassurance to succeed.

And if someone says, 'this is Barca, we don't have time for that', then there lies the problem.
[mini rant over]
 
fergus90

fergus90

Senior Member
ebieymjunior said:
This is not really meant to be directed at you, but I'm tired of people saying such and such player will never be this or that. The truth is you never know.
We complain when we only buy big stars and don't get cheap talent, then we complain when we go for the cheaper prospects.
Truth is, if you're serious about developing any player, especially around the age of Denis, he has a big chance of becoming really good.

Xavi and Iniesta didn't become superstars at once, as a matter of fact, at a time people booed them and didn't think they'd make it, and it took believing in them, and training them properly while letting them grow in confidence!
We missed out on Thiago because we didn't show confidence in him, same thing with so many of our players in recent memory, while salivating at other team's players,
but guess how they became so good...
If we continue with the same mentality, we might as well never promote any player ever again, cause most, if not all, will need time and a lot of reassurance to succeed.

And if someone says, 'this is Barca, we don't have time for that', then there lies the problem.
[mini rant over]
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I agree with what you're saying, the problem is I think he has bags of talent but isn't showing any real signs of evolving as a player where he can be influential when the games tight, his only real performance like that i can remember was Sevilla away. Sometimes I think players like him are better off at top 6 clubs for a few years where they can be one of the main men to develop further where he only really had two full seasons and we resigned him. I know he has talent and you can't discard players in football, and lets face it fans are fickle, you can be player of the year one season and passed it the next.
The problem is other players his age are bypassing him due to playing time and performances, but he has to show something to warrant the playing time. I know Enrique had a fetish with Gomes to try to justify his price tag but I do think next season he has to improve.
I do remember Xavi playing against England in 2004 when he was 24 years of age, was MOTM and already had about 25 Spain caps. So he may of been booed by some, and yes he hadn't received the acclaim he went on to get, but his 2004 performance was not dissimilar to 2009 Xavi. There's a video on youtube of the performance somewhere I think.
 
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ebieymjunior

Senior Member
fergus90 said:
I agree with what you're saying, the problem is I think he has bags of talent but isn't showing any real signs of evolving as a player where he can be influential when the games tight, his only real performance like that i can remember was Sevilla away. Sometimes I think players like him are better off at top 6 clubs for a few years where they can be one of the main men to develop further where he only really had two full seasons and we resigned him. I know he has talent and you can't discard players in football, and lets face it fans are fickle, you can be player of the year one season and passed it the next.
The problem is other players his age are bypassing him due to playing time and performances, but he has to show something to warrant the playing time. I know Enrique had a fetish with Gomes to try to justify his price tag but I do think next season he has to improve.
I do remember Xavi playing against England in 2004 when he was 24 years of age, was MOTM and already had about 25 Spain caps. So he may of been booed by some, and yes he hadn't received the acclaim he went on to get, but his 2004 performance was not dissimilar to 2009 Xavi. There's a video on youtube of the performance somewhere I think.
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Completely agree with you!

Recently I've been thinking of what went wrong between the time of Pedro/Busquets etc. and now.
What we used to do then, is play B team players much more often. It'd give them the possibility to remain at B level, playing week in week out, but still getting called up a lot. Nowadays we'd rather promote them and keep them on the bench for the whole season or loan them out, with the chance that they'd still be benched a lot, as the loaned club will have no obligation to develop another team's player.

A solution could be to make a Barca C. Players from Juvenil A go there, until they're ready join Barca B, and stay there for a few years, while being called up very often to the first team. And when the time for them to be promoted arrives (they'd be 21/22 by then), they'll have had enough playing time, and enough experience with the first team to directly make an impact.
 
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springfield

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Just accept it, he's not a big talent and great player for the big European clubs. Thiago was a different story, everybody knew he was already great and could become one of the best midfielders. He had enough playing time previous seasons so that's no excuse. He didn't play alot this season just because he's not good enough.
 
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Raketa10

Raketa10

Senior Member
That said we should give more playing time to Alena and try to develop him or he will end up like Denis 2.0 or even worse like Samper 2.0.

I am also curious if Valverde can improve Denis since he can for sure play better than he did last season. For me Rafinha isn't any better, he was for sure more useful but let's be honest he is also very limited player. He is slow, his ball control is bad and he also has the same problem regarding playing position.

When you watch Thiago he is dancing with the ball but when you watch Rafinha it looks like that ball is made of bricks.
 
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