Barcilliant
Senior Member
As it currently stands Ronaldo has had the better career. Messi has more natural talent but that's his problem. He refuses to adapt his game.
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serghei
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This would make sense if Messi didn't also win only with stacked teams. Both need great teams to win anything. I don't see any reason why Ronaldo would be better than Messi or vice-versa. Neither did enough to dominate their rival.
Probably so. 5 CLs as the main player in his team vs Messi's 3 is the clincher. But that doesn't mean he's the better player overall. That's impossible to say since Messi has plenty of records as well, not to mention a higher peak level than Ronaldo.
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fergus90
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Up until and including 2015 Messi had a better career without question both individually and team accolades. However, from 2015-2020 Ronaldo has majorly narrowed the gap to the point they're just about even in terms of overall career success on a team basis.
Domestically Messi is better, in Europe Ronaldo since 2015 has been better.
Domestically Messi is better, in Europe Ronaldo since 2015 has been better.
malvolio
Senior Member
better refs too.
honestly, the whole discussion stems from the insecurities of kids not wanting to be seen as losers on the internet. if you are not biased, it's easy to see that messi was the better player.
fergus90
Senior Member
Without question individually Messi is the better player, the majority of professionals and ex-professionals mirror those thoughts too. Team accolades however have definitely fallen in Ronaldo's favour the last 5 years.
For me Messi was the far better player, ronaldo is a better winner and athlete. The thing everyone seems to forget about these two is that practically anytime they faced each other within a competition Messi came out on top. Ronaldo can claim a 2007/2008 UCL semi final with united (Paul scholes wonder goal + pre pep clearout), he has that copa del rey header and 2 la ligas. Messi comes out on top in almost all the other instances they faced each other in a competition including UCL final and semi final.
This whole ronaldo has crazy drive thing should be looked at as well. He's always had something to be motivated towards: catching up with Messi. Far easier to be motivated when there's an obvious goal in sight instead of simply remaining at the top.
This whole ronaldo has crazy drive thing should be looked at as well. He's always had something to be motivated towards: catching up with Messi. Far easier to be motivated when there's an obvious goal in sight instead of simply remaining at the top.
malvolio
Senior Member
just a personal opinion: i think this is because messi has done more extraordinary things with a football than ronaldo. ronaldo has been a machine, a ruthless performer. but messi outshines him in the "moments of magic" department.
also, pure talent will always be more appreciated by fellow professionals. because it is something you are born with and not something that can be trained/learned.
xavisionary
Active member
What metrics are people using to say 'the best'?
I think they're both good. I don't think one is 'better' than the other.
I think they're both good. I don't think one is 'better' than the other.
malvolio
Senior Member
a functional brain and a pair of good eyes?
Hardy
Senior Member
these clowns 
https://www.sportsjournal.ae/dubai-...celebrate-footballs-biggest-stars-next-month/
wonder who's gonna win player of the century
https://www.sportsjournal.ae/dubai-...celebrate-footballs-biggest-stars-next-month/
wonder who's gonna win player of the century
these clowns
https://www.sportsjournal.ae/dubai-...celebrate-footballs-biggest-stars-next-month/
wonder who's gonna win player of the century
The award doesnt even make sense, seeing as a players career last 15 years or something.
At least "club of the century" makes some sense, as a club isnt a living being and can be around for an actual century or more
malvolio
Senior Member
why? they go there and get paid for it. nobody cares about that award anyway.
not much of a difference to messi doing tricks on japanese television.
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