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[JamDav1982]

It indeed, is a validation for Psychological factor of the moments of the game where players would be unwilling to perform certain functions that is not going to change the result. Navas' mistake for Vidal's third goal in the last few minutes being another example.

Being at the receiving end of the pass is Ronaldo's most significant role. If not tell me what his most significant role is.

No it is not a validation it is a made up excuse by you as it is a Ronaldo goal.

'Validation' in your mind maybe but nothing else.

 

[Horatio]

Hello Jamdav

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

No it is not a validation it is a made up excuse by you as it is a Ronaldo goal.

'Validation' in your mind maybe but nothing else.

Champions league knockout is played with the only aim of the final result. The subconscious tendency of a human to find extra motivation to do a certain function when it will not affect in anyway the final result makes him very inefficient in his function. Germany scoring 7 goals against Brazil and Bayern scoring 7 goals against us has been largely due this.

When asked about Cruyff's dream team's loss against Milan 4-0, one the player said that they stopped minding the tie once the third goal was scored.

Watch Barca's 5-0 against RM. Watch what are the silly mistakes they made which they wouldn't have made any other day after the score was 2-0.

 

[El Gato]

Bur for me pass is always more important than the run. It involves more talent, it involves advanced ball striking techniques (there are dozens of way to hit a pass, and a single mistake would make it a bad one), it involves vision, it involves intelligence, it involves ultimate trust from your teammates who understand your command on the ball.

There are also thousands of situational decisions you need to make that all need to be correct for you to make a run as good as those Ronaldo does. Looking at your defender's movement, judging his next move by his hips, faking runs, stopping, accelerating at the right moment for your opponent to definitely not be able to catch up to you. Ages ago there was this Castrol documentary where they show where his he keeps his eyes when on the ball and he needs to do the exact same things when fighting for a cross. Ronaldo was pretty much never the fastest sprinter on the team where most of the quickest players were either other wingers or centre backs. On average Barcelona had more of these than Madrid in fact.

This speaks volume about his mentality, but that still leaves him 2nd, after sheer genius. Same old discussion, as with Federer and Nadal. Innate talent, and genius always ends up ranking higher on the greatness scale than will and hard work.

How do you even gauge talent? You somehow think none of this ball striking is drillable? Consistency isn't. THAT is talent. Not making the pass itself. Dudes like Guti were considered talented, but undisciplined. Nah. Visualising a really great pass every 5 games isn't talent and that is a ratio of most greats. Your teammates being in a position to succeed for you to make that pass? Different story.

Ultimately every part is important, but some roles are more important than others in a team. Being as much a creator, passer, football mind, scorer, dribbler all into one, is a more demanding role, than being just a single cog in a well oiled machine, designed to fullfill a single task to great effect: scoring.

Nope. Again, this sport isn't individual.

 

[JamDav1982]

Champions league knockout is played with the only aim of the final result. The subconscious tendency of a human to find extra motivation to do a certain function when it will not affect in anyway the final result makes him very inefficient in his function. Germany scoring 7 goals against Brazil and Bayern scoring 7 goals against us has been largely due this.

When asked about Cruyff's dream team's loss against Milan 4-0, one the player said that they stopped minding the tie once the third goal was scored.

Watch Barca's 5-0 against RM. Watch what are the silly mistakes they made which they wouldn't have made any other day after the score was 2-0.

Haha long winded way to try and make excuses for Ronaldo scoring again.

Even if that subconscious tendancy is true it is no more an advantage for Ronaldo than anyone else.

I am sure when Messi scores 4 v Arsenal you are not getting angry and making such excuses.

Any time people marvel over Barcas 5-0 win v Real as one of greatest performances ever you really should put them straight on it and the 'subconscious tendancies' that mean it was not all that impressive as first appears.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

Haha long winded way to try and make excuses for Ronaldo scoring again.

Even if that subconscious tendancy is true it is no more an advantage for Ronaldo than anyone else.

I am sure when Messi scores 4 v Arsenal you are not getting angry and making such excuses.

Any time people marvel over Barcas 5-0 win v Real as one of greatest performances ever you really should put them straight on it and the 'subconscious tendancies' that mean it was not all that impressive as first appears.

If the players had the same motivation, the game which we marvel at wouldn't have went more than 3 goals. Now, at the copa del rey final the very next year, Barca couldn't even find a single forward pass. Mourinho's defensive interceptions were perfection. It's not Pep is some kind of super hero who destroyed Mourinho.

Watch the defenders of RM ball watching when Messi scored the second goal against them in the semi final. It's the effect of the first goal.

Watch Maradona's second goal. You would think Ligue 1 farmers would have defended better. But it's because of the first goal.

 

[JamDav1982]

If the players had the same motivation, the game wouldn't have went more than 3 goals.

Watch the defenders of RM ball watching when Messi scored the second goal against them in the semi final. It's the effect of the first goal.

Watch Maradona's second goal. You would think Ligue 1 farmers would have defended better. But it's because of the first goal.

So no more an advantage for Ronaldo than any player in history.

You really should correct people on that 5-0 win vs Real as not being as impressive as first appears.

Makimg up rules to minimise Maradona as well now. Nice one.

Messi goal when he dribble Real team in semi? Not all that impressive as first appears eh?

Your point about Pep and that 5-0 as compared to Copa del Rey final doesnt even make any sense.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

Messi goal when he dribble Real team in semi? Not all that impressive as first appears eh?

"Football is a game of mistakes. If no one makes a mistake, 99% of the matches would end up as draw".
Cruyff

Ronaldo is not 'something else'. He executes his one and only role when defenders make a mistake. He executes it as fine as Muller, Puskas, Messi. Neither better nor worse.

These things you won't find in media. Because they don't sell. They want magicians and heroes to sell papers.

 

[JamDav1982]

"Football is a game of mistakes. If no one makes a mistake, 99% of the matches would end up as draw".
Cruyff

Ronaldo is not 'something else'. He executes his one and only role when defenders make a mistake. He executes it as fine as Muller, Puskas, Messi. Neither better nor worse.

Haha quote Cruyff after playing down Barcas 5-0 win against Real as Pep being 'no superhero' while Mourinhos 1-0 win in tight Copa final that he tried every trick in book to destroy game was 'perfection'.

Sure Cruyff would love that claim.

Ronaldo is one of best players ever and you either seem in denial or dont understand why.

Nothing similar to Muller or Messi. You need to watch closer if think that.

 

[Stoichkov1]

Far more goals in fact. CL finals he leads 4-2, semis `13 - 4 and in quarters 20 - 10.

He has played 2 more finals and 6 more semi final games but there is no doubt that Ronaldo has been a better goalscorer in Europe than him.

Goals don't tell the full story, Ronaldo has been rubbish in 2014 final and 2016 final, has been rubbish against Dortmund away in 2013 despite scoring a goal, has been rubbish against Juve in 2015 despite scoring a penalty etc.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

Haha quote Cruyff after playing down Barcas 5-0 win against Real as Pep being 'no superhero' while Mourinhos 1-0 win in tight Copa final that he tried every trick in book to destroy game was 'perfection'.

Ronaldo is one of best players ever and you either seem in denial or dont understand why.

Total Football is the tactic of minimizing your team's mistake while maximizing the opponent's mistake. If you ask Cruyff about the 5-0 win he would've said the same.

How many times I mentioned these lines. Ronaldo is as good a goalscorer as Messi, Muller, Puskas. They are one of the best players ever (even if you don't take into account Messi's playmaking abilities). It means Ronaldo is also among them.

And then you add the influence of these players in other areas of the tactic. There you will get Messi, Di Stefano, Maradona, Cruyff and Beckenbauer.

 

[JamDav1982]

Total Football is the tactic of minimizing your team's mistake while maximizing the opponent's mistake. If you ask Cruyff about the 5-0 win he would've said the same.

How many times I mentioned these lines. Ronaldo is as good a goalscorer as Messi, Muller, Puskas. They are one of the best players ever (even if you don't take into account Messi's playmaking abilities). It means Ronaldo is also among them.

And then you add the influence of these players in other areas of the tactic. There you will get Messi, Di Stefano, Maradona, Cruyff and Beckenbauer.

Yet you seem to play down the 5-0 win and praise Mourinho for complete opposite approach in final of Copa.

Cruyff would not agree with that dont think. Can try to find quotes.

Muller, Puskas and Messi are nothing like Ronaldo.

 

[Morten]

This is one of the most spoken Myth. Cristiano's off the ball movement is the same as other great goalscorers'. Neither better nor worse. Current RM is the most efficient attacking team I've ever seen. The fact that Real Madrid being extremely multi dimensional in attack leaves the opponent defenders too much to predict the movement of forwards. In addition to that, most significant part of Benzema's game is not goalscoring. It's his link up play and drawing defenders. He's even better than Suarez in that. We can laugh all we want at Benzema and say he is puppet of Perez. But, if you add Aguero in the position of Benzema it will significantly affect the goalscoring chances for Ronaldo.

The ratio of his goals for RM against poor teams vs big teams is almost same. While his ratio of goals for Portugal is Black and White.

The only way to counter this is by isolating Ronaldo to flanks from where is very inefficient except for few good crosses. It's what Valverde did. Sergi Roberto was left all alone to defend Ronaldo. Still Ronaldo could not create much chances. Most threatening chances came from Benzema. This is where it's difficult. Because, in order to isolate Ronaldo from this World Class RM team you need defenders with very high tactical knowledge. Pique, Rakitic and Busquets are such defenders. Even Roberto played a huge part. Roberto's ability to read game is another factor why he's chosen over semedo.
Most of the credits Ronaldo gets belong to Real Madrid team. You cannot read that from goal and assist statistics.

Ronaldo scoring more when Benzema plays isnt backed up by stats, there is no significant difference in his scoring rate if Benz plays or not.
We need an actual striker that can bury them when Ronaldo is struggling, Benzema cant do that.

 

[Stoichkov1]

Smell the coffee man.

Ronaldo does the same tricks every striker does. Agreed. But he has 3 things that are very rare even in the world class strikers. And in the top games all 3 get activated simultaneously almost like clockwork.

1) He has an incredible hunger to score and win, and the bigger the game, the more motivated he is. This goes beyond what is normal even in professional football. I think this guy thinks about football 90% of the time, about hair lotions 5% of the time, and everything else is contained in the rest 5%.
2) He has the physical attributes to win any individual duel against any defender.
3) He has the shooting and heading technique to put the ball in the net once 1) and 2) allow him to get into a dangerous position.

You put those 3 together and you have to realise he isn't just any striker. Wouldn't be too bad for Messi to have some of his qualities. But maybe it would've been too much, so in a way it balances out.

Don't know how Messi can have one of his qualities if he's a midget.

Messi isn't tall enough for the headers and I'm sure Messi is as hungry to win as Ronaldo despite having a different personality.

Messi has a superb shooting technique, he doesn't have the power of Ronaldo's shots but he's far more accurate which is the most important thing. In the last years Messi is the guy who scored most goals outside the goals(68), Ronaldo is the second with 42.

Messi has also good physical attributes as he doesn't get bullied by defenders and usually wins duels against everyone.

Messi can't have the off the ball movement of Ronaldo as he's far better at dribbling and making the final pass for his teammates in the final third.

 

[JamDav1982]

Don't know how Messi can have one of his qualities if he's a midget.

Messi isn't tall enough for the headers and I'm sure Messi is as hungry to win as Ronaldo despite having a different personality.

Messi has a superb shooting technique, he doesn't have the power of Ronaldo's shots but he's far more accurate which is the most important thing. In the last years Messi is the guy who scored most goals outside the goals(68), Ronaldo is the second with 42.

Messi has also good physical attributes as he doesn't get bullied by defenders and usually wins duels against everyone.

Messi can't have the off the ball movement of Ronaldo as he's far better at dribbling and making the pass for his teammates in the final third.

That is the point. They are totally different players and affect the game in different ways for most part.