JamDav1982
Senior Member
Yip atmosphere was unreal. White hankies were out and deafening whistling after Messi took on about seven of their players and got chopped down.
Camp Nou attendances
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Yip atmosphere was unreal. White hankies were out and deafening whistling after Messi took on about seven of their players and got chopped down.
Xtroverto
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Athletic Club, Sporting Gijón, Real Oviedo, Cádiz and Córdoba, these five clubs have probably the best atmosphere of all Spanish teams, of cause in the case of Oviedo and Cádiz they both play in the third division so they don't have that many fans going regulary right now, but when they return to second division they will have more atomsphere than almost any la liga club, they just have much more passionate fans. Cádiz for example brought 6-10 thousand away fans for a number of games last time they played in la liga.
Sporting Gijón has maybe the best supporter oganisation of all teams in Spain, they regulary arrange for supporter trips to away games and sometime manage to bring in excess of 10 thousand fans, they had 15 thousand fans filling the stadium in A Coruña a few years ago.
footyfan
Calma, calma
Kerrybai
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The game in 2011 had 70k at it, which is what we average now.
Well those initiatives are just for socios. For us single match day goers who want a good view we are buying pretty hefty prices.
BTW our attendances were not hugely better under Pep, but there were 6-7k or so extra fans per game.
2003/2004 - 73,624
2004/2005 - 74,081
2005/2006 - 74,105
2006/2007 - 73,466
2007/2008 - 76,332
2008/2009 - 70,491
2009/2010 - 77,983
2010/2011 - 79,219
2011/2012 - 78,340
2012/2013 - 71,350
2013/2014 - 71,958
2014/2015 - 73,627
What? Matchday income is 24% which is huge.
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One final point. Teams like Dortmund, Bayern etc all sell out but you must be careful with attendance numbers. Most football clubs count tickets sold rather than bums on seats.
Arsenal last season were at 59k which is virtually sold out, but in reality there were lots of empty seats at games. I think the actual bums on seats was around 53788k.
Pretty much every sports team in the world announces tickets sold figures, in America , Europe etc... however I think some clubs are an exception and I believe we are one of them.With 87% of our seats sold as season tickets that would mean using the tickets sold method we would average at least 87k per game, but of course we come nowhere near that.
Someone let me know if I'm completely wrong about this.
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XaviMessiGirl
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Yeah, at least here in the US I've been to plenty of "sold out" games/events but can clearly see empty seats.
Kerrybai
New member
I wonder why Barca don't report tickets sold though? Maybe because of the selling back season ticket thing they have. I really want to find more info, particularly regarding how many match day tickets we sell but its very hard to find out. Maybe there is someone I can email. I did find this post on skyscrapercity by a user named gincan. He has not provided sources though.
'It is strange but in a way visitors to Camp Nou subsidizes the season ticket holders. It is only thanks to the enormous amount of "tourists" that the club can keep down the seson ticket prices.
while FC Barcelona have among the most expensive matchday tickets in the world with average prices over 70 euros (some 20-30 euros more than most premier league teams). The season tickes are among the cheapest in european top flight leagues. Starting at 100 euros going up to 1000 euros.
Compare this to Arsenal where the cheapest seson ticket cost 430 euros and the most expensive over 2000 euros (not counting corporate boxes).
This is the really a strange thing, Camp Nou has 99.000 seats, of those 86.000 are held by seson ticket holders so on any given league match there are only 13000 matchday tickets available.
Still the club sell on average over 30.000 matchday tickets in the league. This is because seson ticket holders can resell their seat through the club.
This means that the real number of sets sold per game on average is much higher that the stadiums capacity, 86.000 + 30.000 mean that the club sell over 115.000 seats per game on average.
The number of season ticket holders that simply do not show up on every game is astonishingly high, for the season 2007-2008 the club reported that on average 47.000 season ticket holders did not show up, that is just crazy.
You compare this to the league attendance of ca 80.000 you realize that on average around 35.000 season ticket holder simply did not show up as of last season.'
In the end its all very simple. Season tickets are dirt cheap so if you want to just attend a handful of games you might as well keep on renewing, especially with matchday tickets costing so much.
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XaviMessiGirl
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If those numbers are true then I guess I don't blame people for holding on to their season tickets even if they only plan on attending a handful of matches per season (as long as it's legal to do so). With those numbers, individual tickets for two games has already cost you more than the cheapest season ticket option. The club really needs to change this policy.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
The game in 2011 had 70k at it, which is what we average now.
Well those initiatives are just for socios. For us single match day goers who want a good view we are buying pretty hefty prices.
BTW our attendances were not hugely better under Pep, but there were 6-7k or so extra fans per game.
2003/2004 - 73,624
2004/2005 - 74,081
2005/2006 - 74,105
2006/2007 - 73,466
2007/2008 - 76,332
2008/2009 - 70,491
2009/2010 - 77,983
2010/2011 - 79,219
2011/2012 - 78,340
2012/2013 - 71,350
2013/2014 - 71,958
2014/2015 - 73,627
What? Matchday income is 24% which is huge.
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One final point. Teams like Dortmund, Bayern etc all sell out but you must be careful with attendance numbers. Most football clubs count tickets sold rather than bums on seats.
Arsenal last season were at 59k which is virtually sold out, but in reality there were lots of empty seats at games. I think the actual bums on seats was around 53788k.
Pretty much every sports team in the world announces tickets sold figures, in America , Europe etc... however I think some clubs are an exception and I believe we are one of them.With 87% of our seats sold as season tickets that would mean using the tickets sold method we would average at least 87k per game, but of course we come nowhere near that.
Someone let me know if I'm completely wrong about this.
Not trying to hijack the thread, but interestingly not just Real Madrid, but PSG and Bayern are getting much more € from "commercial" venues than we do. Wonder what makes up the "commercial" sector? Jersey sales and sponsor deals?
Kerrybai
New member
Do we have a barca finance thread? It would be an interesting thread. First thing I want to mention is matchday revenue, as the years go by it will become a smaller and smaller % for every club as there is only so far you can raise ticket prices and only so many suites etc you can build. The renovated Camp Nou will provide more matchday income but a new stadium would have allowed us to create far more suites and boxes etc and increased revenue even further.
My second point concerns tv. The EPL is growing much faster than other European leagues so I expect English teams to increase a lot in this area. Right now Barca and Madrid are number 1 as tv deals are singed individually in Spain. Starting in a couple of years will be a collective deal just like the EPL. This will make la liga more competitive but I guess it will also weaken our revenue in this area.
Now to answer your question, commercial is the likes of kit deals and sponsorship. United are after signing a ridiculous deal a few months back with Nike for 750 million over 10 years. It dwarfs everyone else and is an area we should look to improve. Then their is our shirt sponsorship and of course we can rename our stadium. United also signed a great deal with AEG for just their training kit!! Again we should look at areas like this too.
Xtroverto
Member
Here are some data on the number of liberated seats for the seasons 2006-07 to 2010-11.
http://www.matchdayintelligence.com...hange_Seient-Lliure_MdI-Analysis_26.01.12.pdf
Here are the club's yearly summaries, you can find data on average atendance and Seiente Lluire (liberated seats)
http://www.fcbarcelona.es/club/prensa/detalle/ficha/memoria-anual
The number of liberated seats (league, domestic cups and Champions League) for the seasons 2006-07 to 2012-13 (2013-14 will be published on the 18th of October during the General Assembly)
2006-07 208.002 (income 10.500.000 euros) 50 euros per liberated seat
2007-08 265.362 (income 12.800.000 euros) 48 euros per liberated seat
2008-09 293.362 (income 14.100.000 euros) 48 euros per liberated seat
2009-10 320.400 (income 15.000.000 euros) 47 euros per liberated seat
2010-11 468.230 (income 19.733.924 euros) 42 euros per liberated seat
2011-12 569.010 (no income specified but you can always extrapolate the data for previous seasons)
2012-13 620.342 (no income specified but you can always extrapolate the data for previous seasons)
2013-14 677.000 (no income specified but you can always extrapolate the data for previous seasons)
http://www.matchdayintelligence.com...hange_Seient-Lliure_MdI-Analysis_26.01.12.pdf
Here are the club's yearly summaries, you can find data on average atendance and Seiente Lluire (liberated seats)
http://www.fcbarcelona.es/club/prensa/detalle/ficha/memoria-anual
The number of liberated seats (league, domestic cups and Champions League) for the seasons 2006-07 to 2012-13 (2013-14 will be published on the 18th of October during the General Assembly)
2006-07 208.002 (income 10.500.000 euros) 50 euros per liberated seat
2007-08 265.362 (income 12.800.000 euros) 48 euros per liberated seat
2008-09 293.362 (income 14.100.000 euros) 48 euros per liberated seat
2009-10 320.400 (income 15.000.000 euros) 47 euros per liberated seat
2010-11 468.230 (income 19.733.924 euros) 42 euros per liberated seat
2011-12 569.010 (no income specified but you can always extrapolate the data for previous seasons)
2012-13 620.342 (no income specified but you can always extrapolate the data for previous seasons)
2013-14 677.000 (no income specified but you can always extrapolate the data for previous seasons)
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Kerrybai
New member
This is a great find.
No wonder so many season ticket holders free up seats when they receive 50%. They can sell off a few tickets and pay off their season ticket with ease.
Kerrybai
New member
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29527838
Here are the updated ticket prices. The BBC 207 clubs for their most recent study including Barcelona. The Cheapest season ticket at Barcelona is 10 times less than Arsenal...
Barcelona
Cheapest season ticket - £103
Most expensive season ticket - £859
Cheapest match day - £18
Most expensive - £153
Obviously this does not include VIP etc.
Now here's my issue, we price games at different levels depending on opposition. So for example Sevilla, Atletico, Valencia etc are all 'top games'. The Cheapest ticket for Sevilla is way up high for 59 euro. The Best seats on the sidelines second tier are 153... this is the same for PSG and all other 'top games'.
Now I'm assuming the £103 season ticket gets you a seat in the cheap seats up high, but as a match-day goer paying that price would only get me to 2 of the games I mentioned, never-mind the other 17 games. Likewise with the 853 ticket... I assume those are the best seats so just attending those 3 games I mentioned as match-day goer in those seats would cost me about 450, and then when we add in the other 16 games which include Real Madrid you begin to see just why season ticket holders will never stop renewing even if they intend tom sit at home for most of the games.
I'm just ranting now but I do feel a but annoyed that I'll have to pay 153 euro to seat on the sideline while the seat next to me is empty as its owner can't be bothered to show up.
Here are the updated ticket prices. The BBC 207 clubs for their most recent study including Barcelona. The Cheapest season ticket at Barcelona is 10 times less than Arsenal...
Barcelona
Cheapest season ticket - £103
Most expensive season ticket - £859
Cheapest match day - £18
Most expensive - £153
Obviously this does not include VIP etc.
Now here's my issue, we price games at different levels depending on opposition. So for example Sevilla, Atletico, Valencia etc are all 'top games'. The Cheapest ticket for Sevilla is way up high for 59 euro. The Best seats on the sidelines second tier are 153... this is the same for PSG and all other 'top games'.
Now I'm assuming the £103 season ticket gets you a seat in the cheap seats up high, but as a match-day goer paying that price would only get me to 2 of the games I mentioned, never-mind the other 17 games. Likewise with the 853 ticket... I assume those are the best seats so just attending those 3 games I mentioned as match-day goer in those seats would cost me about 450, and then when we add in the other 16 games which include Real Madrid you begin to see just why season ticket holders will never stop renewing even if they intend tom sit at home for most of the games.
I'm just ranting now but I do feel a but annoyed that I'll have to pay 153 euro to seat on the sideline while the seat next to me is empty as its owner can't be bothered to show up.
It seems that this study does not include ticket prices against Real Madrid. The most expensive non-VIP ticket costs 369€ for that game, about £294.
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