21 - Frenkie de Jong
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Enzo is also playing for a mid table side right now. So Im not sure what point you're making.
Selling our only mid in his prime is not a good strategy. They need to bring in a proper holding mid. And everyone has known it for 5+ years.
Don Juan Laporta Estruch
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Rumours Chelshit are prepared to pay 100m euros. Need to accept it quick before they watch him and change their mind.
Raketa10
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Frenkie de Excuses. The more you read this forum the more you find reasons why he is not performing well.
1. bad managers
2. wrong formation
3. bad teammates
4. bad tactics
5. wrong position on the field
So to summarize this up. To this day no one knows what is his best position. He is not a pure DM since he is garbage in defense,, he is definitely not a pivot, he is not interior since he is incapable to give that last pass or regularly score goals. So is he box to box than? Nah, box to box player is someone who excels in both directions but Frenkie does not excel neither in defense nor attack. So WTF is he? A second DM who needs a strong DM next to him??? If that's the case than he can not be worth that much!
I think it's time that we accept the fact that Frenkie is just a good player and nothing more than that. Furthermore, it's clear from the moon that his salary is way higher than he deserves.
1. bad managers
2. wrong formation
3. bad teammates
4. bad tactics
5. wrong position on the field
So to summarize this up. To this day no one knows what is his best position. He is not a pure DM since he is garbage in defense,, he is definitely not a pivot, he is not interior since he is incapable to give that last pass or regularly score goals. So is he box to box than? Nah, box to box player is someone who excels in both directions but Frenkie does not excel neither in defense nor attack. So WTF is he? A second DM who needs a strong DM next to him??? If that's the case than he can not be worth that much!
I think it's time that we accept the fact that Frenkie is just a good player and nothing more than that. Furthermore, it's clear from the moon that his salary is way higher than he deserves.
Temptation
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Reminds me a bit of Pogba and United.
Remember how his acolytes on Redcafe constantly gave excuses? It was everything and everyone that was the problem and not him. It was always "United are unable to accomodate Pogba and get the best outta him"........
Neeraj
Senior Member
Sell him and do what with that money? Blow it on more garbage? Every single midfielder here looks poor or underwhelming right now. Pedri, Gavi, Gundogan, etc....who has looked exceptional all season? Nobody. Gundogan and FDJ being top players, have some very good games and some poor games, but in general, nobody looks good.
If you had never seen Gundogan before bcn, would you think he was the captain and one of City's most important players? Absolutely not.
In terms of quality, FDJ has a lot of it. He needs to do more in attach by way of goals and impact on the game, yes, but I think a good coach can influence this a lot - having patterns of play and telling him what his role needs to be. We don't have to build a team around him but with a good coach we can get a lot more out of him than we can out of the other garbage we have in the squad.
If we sell him then what? Buy more garbage players? The only instance of a sale I would be okay with is if we decided that the club needs a total reset, and that we were going to go FULL ECO mode, play with ONLY kids/free agents for a few years, sell top assets and try and stay in 2nd place in La Liga and then get back to being a big club once the Camo Nou is done. Right now, we have a neither here neither there strategy. We can't go out and buy the big names, but then nor do we save money. We pull levers for a shit Qatar level manager and blow it on garbage players. Even if we were to get ONE or TWO expensive players, what would that change in this team without a full reset?
If you had never seen Gundogan before bcn, would you think he was the captain and one of City's most important players? Absolutely not.
In terms of quality, FDJ has a lot of it. He needs to do more in attach by way of goals and impact on the game, yes, but I think a good coach can influence this a lot - having patterns of play and telling him what his role needs to be. We don't have to build a team around him but with a good coach we can get a lot more out of him than we can out of the other garbage we have in the squad.
If we sell him then what? Buy more garbage players? The only instance of a sale I would be okay with is if we decided that the club needs a total reset, and that we were going to go FULL ECO mode, play with ONLY kids/free agents for a few years, sell top assets and try and stay in 2nd place in La Liga and then get back to being a big club once the Camo Nou is done. Right now, we have a neither here neither there strategy. We can't go out and buy the big names, but then nor do we save money. We pull levers for a shit Qatar level manager and blow it on garbage players. Even if we were to get ONE or TWO expensive players, what would that change in this team without a full reset?
Gundogan has looked class every since he settled in.
Gavi looked good whenever he was played as an actual Midfielder.
Pedri is just coming back from a long term injury.
De Jong as been here 4-5 years, is at his physical peak and you're never sure what you'll get from him.
He can't score, cant assist, can't defend, can't control a game.
Needs a water carrier beside him in a double pivot in order to play his best, he's basically pirlo, super super light.
Only thing you can be sure of is that is fan will make excuses for him.
"He was the best player from minute 91-93 on the park" kinda BS
Gavi looked good whenever he was played as an actual Midfielder.
Pedri is just coming back from a long term injury.
De Jong as been here 4-5 years, is at his physical peak and you're never sure what you'll get from him.
He can't score, cant assist, can't defend, can't control a game.
Needs a water carrier beside him in a double pivot in order to play his best, he's basically pirlo, super super light.
Only thing you can be sure of is that is fan will make excuses for him.
"He was the best player from minute 91-93 on the park" kinda BS
Don Juan Laporta Estruch
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If Ping Pong leaves, I think it might be advisable to ban James Davies from the Gavi thread next season.
Ooft.
Ooft.
Birdy
Senior Member
Let's face the truth. He has been a liability for 3.5 years until Xavi switched to a double pivot in Jan. 2023 (with an exception of a few months under Koeman, see below)
Before that he was out of position and bad either as a pivot or as an interior.
After the system change, he found his footing and had some good games.
But he is a player of very particular traits: he won't play the ball one touch, he won't see angles to progress the play, and many other stuff CDMs do.
He is basically a very reliable ball carrier who rarely gets dispossessed. When you want someone to carry from deep without losing the ball, you give it to him.
I still think he played his best games under Koeman as a libero because that's exactly the skill needed at the back in high-press situations.
See ETH's interview about his position from some years back, it's very illuminating
Is that enough for a Barca md? Absolutely not.
For me, the biggest problem is his obscene wages that he refused time and time again to reduce.
Buddy, you are not a 20m yr or even 18m yr player.
IF you don't like getting paid according to what you show on the pitch and within the wage structure, GTFO to some EPL club
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Hansi played with double pivot at Bayern if i remember correctly so more reasons for this man
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
G. Romero said that the news came from his camp, and tbh it makes sense.
The first one to report it was a guy close to his agent, then Relevo who aren't by any mean close to the board and fairly legit. They aren't the board mouth piece.
News for past 4 months was about Araujo and there was clear campaign about his sale.
IMO, board wants to renew Frenkie, defer some salary and slash those amortization while make a sale with big profit like Araujo.
But at the end, the trap of 2026 doesn't give us much option. Half of the core players in this team has a contract till 2026 (Araujo, Christensen, Pedri, Gavi, Frenkie, Lamine along Gundogan, Lewa and Pena) and the club will have to make renewal with them during summer or put them in the market.
For me it seems a move from his agent to force the board to make a better offer while inviting other clubs to make better offers.
The first one to report it was a guy close to his agent, then Relevo who aren't by any mean close to the board and fairly legit. They aren't the board mouth piece.
News for past 4 months was about Araujo and there was clear campaign about his sale.
IMO, board wants to renew Frenkie, defer some salary and slash those amortization while make a sale with big profit like Araujo.
But at the end, the trap of 2026 doesn't give us much option. Half of the core players in this team has a contract till 2026 (Araujo, Christensen, Pedri, Gavi, Frenkie, Lamine along Gundogan, Lewa and Pena) and the club will have to make renewal with them during summer or put them in the market.
For me it seems a move from his agent to force the board to make a better offer while inviting other clubs to make better offers.
fergus90
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I think he is a world class player but his attributes that make him world class only are impactful when the rest of the machine is oiled.
He like any player on this planet has his faults too of course. If the club gets rid of him I hope they resist the urge to get a similar profile and go for a Tchouameni type player. Who’s not only physical but has fantastic technical ability.
Something that Barca so badly lack.
He like any player on this planet has his faults too of course. If the club gets rid of him I hope they resist the urge to get a similar profile and go for a Tchouameni type player. Who’s not only physical but has fantastic technical ability.
Something that Barca so badly lack.
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