14 - Javier Mascherano

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
Yes, Messi depends a lot on Busquets against good opposition. Busquets releases the ball so early and so accurately, it allows Messi to catch the defense off-guard..

Really hope he stays fit for the remainder of the season. The win against RM was nice and competitive, but the lack of control was obvious. I feel much more confident going into the quarterfinals against PSG and continuing to fight for titles with Busi controlling our midfield.

Whether he's in form or not, the net-benefits he provides are really important the more I think about it. If we have Busquets, it's almost axiomatic that we'll play with more control. He moves the ball better, finds his teammates more easily, and gives us a strong central presence on the ball deep in midfield. The result is us playing higher up the pitch and pressing more in the opposition half. Iniesta and Rakitic thrive more in support when things are less chaotic and end to end as they would be with Masch. Messi would also be more active as well and would have more touches. It also means we'd spend less time covering ground in vertical plays and therefore have less physical exertion (it does take a lot of energy to counter). We're also better defensively when we can contain opponents in their half and press them rather than struggling to control the ball and therefore spend a lot of time retreating. Less exertion, more facilitated performances from everyone, more natural defensive structure, and a lot more control of the ball. All of these will be crucial for the difficult fixture list we have against opponents that will push us and test our midfield the way RM did (to a lesser extent though, of course).
 

Antimadridista1

New member
If we want to play counter-attacking football against the big teams and be more solid defensively, why can't we play with Busquets-Mascherano as a double pivot with Rakitic pressing in front of them ?
 

Zangash

Banned
If we want to play counter-attacking football against the big teams and be more solid defensively, why can't we play with Busquets-Mascherano as a double pivot with Rakitic pressing in front of them ?

Because we don't need a double pivot to improve our defense. The objective should be to improve our midfield, not sacrifice it for the sake of defending.
 

Sumlit

San Claudio Bravo
Busquets need not have played on Sunday for people to realize how important he is to this team, and how much more suited he is to the pivot role than Mascherano. Mascherano's play out there made it quite obvious by itself. But then Busquets was brought in as a sub and if you did not notice it before, you surely noticed it then.

Not a knock on Masche, who bless his warrior hart, always gives it all and is in fact a very very good defensive midfielder. But he just quite simply does not bring the control, quick distribution, quick decision making and short passing of Busquets. Heck, even Busquets movement in midfield, particularly his offensive movement off the ball, is very noticeably superior to Masche.

Team has a luxury in having Mascherano to back up Busquets in a pinch. Not many teams can lose a player in the caliber of Busquets and have a more than adequate player to sub him like Mascherano, but Busquets quality should never be under-appreciated.
 

DrPepper

New member
If the Clasico showed us something, then it is that you don't need the best defensive minded DM on the pitch to be solid defensively. Madrid played with Kroos and Modric and they were a lot better than Mascherano in every aspect of the game, even in those that Javier is known for.

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orange X = unsuccessful tackle
green X = successful tackle
green diamond = interception
 

Ghostmaster

Danger Ahead
Busquets need not have played on Sunday for people to realize how important he is to this team, and how much more suited he is to the pivot role than Mascherano. Mascherano's play out there made it quite obvious by itself. But then Busquets was brought in as a sub and if you did not notice it before, you surely noticed it then.
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When Busi was brought in as sub, RM didn't have any more energy and Isco was subbed for Jese, they played with 4 attacking players. However, this is really pointless discussion - Busi will play in DM position as long as he is fit, the problem that is clear from the first el clasico and second el clasico is that they have superior midfield and it is unsettling because we may be playing them again in CL.
 
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Empty

New member
Well, yes, that much is obvious. Isco-Kroos-Modric is superior than any combination we have to offer as of right now.
 

raskolnikov

Well-known member
We'd need Busquets and Xavi, to put it simply. The two of them is enough to give us the edge imo. Playing Rakatic and Iniesta or Rafinha is weakening our midfield.

Which means Iniesta has to be benched for Xavi. Iguess we could try it next time (if there will be a next time, xavi might have played his last classico)
 

Zangash

Banned
But we played with Xavi Busi and Iniesta and got run over even more...

When? In the Clasico subbing on Xavi and Busquets is what saved us by winning the midfield battle and effectively killing their spirits.

If you mean in seasons prior that's mostly down to tactics. Tata's long ball tactics were inconsistent in approach and often used our midfield less than even Lucho's system, as rough as that sounds.
 

KingMessi

SiempreBlaugrana
When? In the Clasico subbing on Xavi and Busquets is what saved us by winning the midfield battle and effectively killing their spirits.

If you mean in seasons prior that's mostly down to tactics. Tata's long ball tactics were inconsistent in approach and often used our midfield less than even Lucho's system, as rough as that sounds.

Busquets's entrance I agree with, but for Xavi you have to keep in mind he only played 10 minutes.
 
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Zangash

Banned
Busquets's entrance I agree with, but for Xavi you have to keep in mind he only played 10 minutes.

His addition wasn't as big a help as Busquets. Rakatic is actually playing pretty well right now, and him plus Busi and Iniesta is almost as good. The real key here is keeping Masche away from our midfield.
 

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