Leon Goretzka

serghei

serghei

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Luftstalag14 said:
Not true, Bayern didn't get KdB because they did not want to pay the fee Wolfsburg wanted, not because of Goetze.

Not saying Bayern should be blamed for what they are doing, since all other big teams do it too. Again, just pointing out that Bayern enjoys a MONOPOLY over domestic talent that no other team enjoys (didn't we compete with Real Madrid for Theo Hernández's signature and we lost last summer? Neither do we or Real Madrid enjoy that kind of monopoly that Bayern has over top domestic talent. The same can be said of the English teams and the Italian teams, not sure about your PSG though) and to me it is as clear as day.
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That's what it means actually when people say 'one team league'. Bayern and PSG have the luxury of monopolizing the domestic market in Germany and France. Barca have Madrid, and also Atletico (to a lesser extent) in Spain. Bayern have no real rival in Bundesliga.
 
Jallo

Jallo

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1993Kaan1993 said:
M.City got De Bruyne and BM couldn't move because of Gotze. M.City came in the last days of the market and got him. There was no time to sell Gotze and create space for De Bruyne.

who lost? BM lost. Where is Wolfburrg?

l enjoy your endless selfishness and hypocrisy here. When Barca signs players from La Liga, For instance When Barca linked with Griezmann, nobody talked about La Liga here. Barca got Turan from A.Madrid and weakened their direct rival. D.Alves, Keita, Villa e.t.c. When BM or PSG signs players from their league, you start to think about Bundesliga or Ligue 1. Sorry guys. please grow up.
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Fair to point out that Bayern almost never pays for the best Bundeliga talent. Other clubs develop players only for Bayern to get them for free with minimum compensation to the other clubs. They got Lewa and Hummels for nothing that is not good for the league in general, when all the money is stuck at the top. At least Barca and Madrid pays the full price to other LaLiga clubs.
 
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Barcilliant

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Bayern already have Tolisso. Goretzka is very similar. Don't know if they will start him or just stacking up on players.
 
Yannik

Yannik

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Jallo said:
Fair to point out that Bayern almost never pays for the best Bundeliga talent. Other clubs develop players only for Bayern to get them for free with minimum compensation to the other clubs. They got Lewa and Hummels for nothing that is not good for the league in general, when all the money is stuck at the top. At least Barca and Madrid pays the full price to other LaLiga clubs.
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I don't see why the objective of a club should be paying deliberately high prices. If that's what you do, then you are not doing it right.
 
Jallo

Jallo

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My point is that Barca and Madrid pay the market price or close, while Bayern doesn't. This weakness their bundesliga rivals not only on the field but financially as well. This has consequences in the long run were even if Bayern is having a subpar season they still win the league cause no rivals exist. When Barca pays the full price they might weaken their rivals, but they don't weaken them financially. Which means that that they don't weakentheir rivals in the long run.

The point is that it is different when Barca and Madrid or City and Chelsea or PSG buy out their rivals, unlike Bayern they actually compensate them.
 
Yannik

Yannik

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Jallo said:
My point is that Barca and Madrid pay the market price or close, while Bayern doesn't. This weakness their bundesliga rivals not only on the field but financially as well. This has consequences in the long run were even if Bayern is having a subpar season they still win the league cause no rivals exist. When Barca pays the full price they might weaken their rivals, but they don't weaken them financially. Which means that that they don't weakentheir rivals in the long run.

The point is that it is different when Barca and Madrid or City and Chelsea or PSG buy out their rivals, unlike Bayern they actually compensate them.
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You are making it sound like the buying club has some sort of weird obligation to fully compensate selling clubs. The reason why Barca and co. "compensate" the sellers is not because they are just so unselfishly nice. They would love to get top players on free transfers especially from rivals, it's just that they are simply unable to bring themselves into a position where they have any leverage over transfers. It wouldn't even bother Schalke now. Goretzka's contract runs out at the end of the season, Barca wouldn't have paid a penny for him either then. Same happens in England with City and Sanchez or United with Özil. If Barto pays double on anything he sets sight on, then that's nothing he should get credit for, nor should anyone assume he's Mother Theresa and wants to keep the domestic competition strong. He just negotiates bad and that's it.
 
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springfield

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Jallo said:
They got Lewa and Hummels for nothing that is not good for the league in general, when all the money is stuck at the top. At least Barca and Madrid pays the full price to other LaLiga clubs.
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Hummels went from Bayern to Dortmund because he was not good enough but he always played for Bayern Munich as a kid and his first years as a professional. And Bayern Munich didn't get him for free, they paid a decent fee for him. Lewandowski ran out of contract, it's not Bayerns fault that he is free to go.
 
raskolnikov

raskolnikov

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springfield said:
Hummels went from Bayern to Dortmund because he was not good enough but he always played for Bayern Munich as a kid and his first years as a professional. And Bayern Munich didn't get him for free, they paid a decent fee for him. Lewandowski ran out of contract, it's not Bayerns fault that he is free to go.
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Except they convinced him to run out his contract during the same time they signed götze and anounced it the day they played real for the cl semi final.
Bayern just wants their competitors weak and everytime a player rises at a club they quickly snatch him on a free or low feecso the club stays weak and their monopoly continues.
They are just like that. Which is why I despise them but clubs let this happen and look up to Bayern so they dont deserve any sympathy either. If you display weakness, someine takes advantage and you got only yourself to blame in the end.
 
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springfield

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raskolnikov said:
Except they convinced him to run out his contract during the same time they signed götze and anounced it the day they played real for the cl semi final.
Bayern just wants their competitors weak and everytime a player rises at a club they quickly snatch him on a free or low feecso the club stays weak and their monopoly continues.
They are just like that. Which is why I despise them but clubs let this happen and look up to Bayern so they dont deserve any sympathy either. If you display weakness, someine takes advantage and you got only yourself to blame in the end.
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Alot of players just like to stay in Germany and then the only option you have is Bayern Munich. They are also a wealthy club. It's a circle. The only thing that could stop this is other clubs getting huge capital injections. You can't really blame Bayern for this.
 
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