Neymar Jr.

Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor

Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor

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PSG is also the french club he likes the most. But i really can't see anything but a disaster. He will eat even more junkfood with his childhood friend, be injured more, play erratic football with some sparks here and there. There are some people who shouldn't be at Paris (not even PSG but just the city). Aurier was a cool and upcoming guy at Toulouse and he went down and did a lot of shit at Paris. Kurzawa was good and on the up at Monaco. At Paris, he is living the night lifestyle and is contantly injured and useless when not. Same with Verratti and his back injuries because of lifestyle. Kimpembe has started to have the same injury that struck Verratti and had to go under the knife. French players (even more if they have childhood friend in Paris) = disaster. Mbappé is an exception as he is grounded and focused on his job.
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That's why oil clubs will never dominate and have never dominated Europe. You can get players in enough to win ypur league but to dominate Europe you need players who love the club and will go the extra mile for it.

All the 'great CL teams of the past had this. City are suffering from the same problem as you guys, their players sign for money mostly and not love of the club. That doesn't mean that they don't try to win. They just don't have that inner passion for the club to go the extra mile needed for European dominance
 
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Vilarrubi said:
Forgot about this classic:

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I'm confused, where is the difference between the right and lower pictures?!
 
BBZ8800

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I guess they forgot Bayern is paying for Coutinho's salary. Another fake news article.
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Not true.
Last year we already had the highest wages in the world.

Then we added:
1. Frenkie with more than 10M Net iirc
2. Malcom left the team, who was earning peanuts
3. Denis also
4. Then we added Griezmann who is at around 20M Net, right?
5. Cou was earning less that Griezmann, something like 15-16M Net iirc

So, you have Frenkie 10-ish M, Griezz 20-ish M, and Firpo (peanuts).
You lost Cou 16M, Denis and Malcom peanuts.
Let's say that we added 32M Net and got rid of let's say 20-22M.

So, even before Neymar (and after Cou's loan), our already highest wage bill grew for around 10M Net or 20M gross per season.

Now add Neymar who is on 40M Net, right?
Which is around 80M gross.
So, IN THIS MOMENT, if you add Neymar, our wage bill which was already the highest in the world and was on a verge of FIFA and La Liga rules, will be around 100M gross per year higher than in the last season.

If we would offload Raki, Dembele, Umtiti, we would cover only half of those newly added 100M gross on wages this season.

So, it is not a fake news.
No matter what we do, we will have even higher wages than the last year and we will be on a verge of breaking all rules regarding finances.
But hey, we will get Neyboy, arguably the (2nd) best player in the world :neymar:
 
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Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor said:
That's why oil clubs will never dominate and have never dominated Europe. You can get players in enough to win ypur league but to dominate Europe you need players who love the club and will go the extra mile for it.

All the 'great CL teams of the past had this. City are suffering from the same problem as you guys, their players sign for money mostly and not love of the club. That doesn't mean that they don't try to win. They just don't have that inner passion for the club to go the extra mile needed for European dominance
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Well, this has nothing to do with "love". Dembélé is prolly one of the best Barça lover but he doesn't have the ethics. It is as simple as that. I'm pretty sure a guy like Aurier likes PSG more than Mbappé for example. Still, one would do shit things during his time there while the other is a professional.

While i criticize them here, i also aknowledge they are just young men. When you are young, rich, successful, it is normal for them to enjoy life. A godly player like Ronaldinho himself had terrible ethics wherever he was.
 
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Vilarrubi said:
Is that who he supports? Agree with you on those points, he seems too interested in joking around and living the lifestyle than actually concentrating on football. We saw flashes of what he can do last season, maybe Tuchel can settle him down.. I wouldn't think Valverde is the most convincing coach if he's telling you what to do.
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Yeah, you can say PSG is the french club he supports.
 
Vilarrubi

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Mitchell1978 said:
sounds like a certain Brazilian
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At least Neymar has the talent and results to go along with him acting unprofessional at times.... Dembele currently can't pass a ball and is appearing to be a low IQ guy who just wants to joke around.

Neymar:

Campeonato Paulista: 2010, 2011, 2012
Copa do Brasil: 2010
Copa Libertadores: 2011
Recopa Sudamericana: 2012

La Liga: 2014–15, 2015–16
Copa del Rey: 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17
Supercopa de España: 2013
UEFA Champions League: 2014–15
FIFA Club World Cup: 2015

Ligue 1: 2017–18, 2018–19
Coupe de France: 2017–18
Coupe de la Ligue: 2017–18
Trophée des Champions: 2018

South American Youth Championship: 2011
Olympic Silver Medal: 2012
FIFA Confederations Cup: 2013
Olympic Gold Medal: 2016


Dembele:

DFB-Pokal: 2016–17
La Liga: 2017–18, 2018–19
Copa del Rey: 2017–18
Supercopa de España: 2018
FIFA World Cup: 2018 (Only played 165 mins)
 
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Centauri B said:
Professional football players support no club other than the one that pays them.
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Tell that to the Dembélé that went AWOL and disrespected the club that was paying him at the time (Dortmund).

I'm not saying that the fact PSG he quite likes PSG will have any influence in the outcome. In fact, he likes Barça way more than PSG and i believe he will be stubborn enough to stay and fight.
 
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Vilarrubi said:
At least Neymar has the talent and results to go along with him acting unprofessional at times.... Dembele currently can't pass a ball and is appearing to be a low IQ guy who just wants to joke around.

Neymar:

Campeonato Paulista: 2010, 2011, 2012
Copa do Brasil: 2010
Copa Libertadores: 2011
Recopa Sudamericana: 2012

La Liga: 2014–15, 2015–16
Copa del Rey: 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17
Supercopa de España: 2013
UEFA Champions League: 2014–15
FIFA Club World Cup: 2015

Ligue 1: 2017–18, 2018–19
Coupe de France: 2017–18
Coupe de la Ligue: 2017–18
Trophée des Champions: 2018

South American Youth Championship: 2011
Olympic Silver Medal: 2012
FIFA Confederations Cup: 2013
Olympic Gold Medal: 2016


Dembele:

DFB-Pokal: 2016–17
La Liga: 2017–18, 2018–19
Copa del Rey: 2017–18
Supercopa de España: 2018
FIFA World Cup: 2018 (Only played 165 mins)
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Yeah, this is the thing people don't understand.

Ofc Neymar is not the perfect professional and is a pain to deal with but he is freaking good. Dembélé is still very much a prospect. And even in national team he is losing ground to less talented players.
 
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Tell that to the Dembélé that went AWOL and disrespected the club that was paying him at the time (Dortmund).

I'm not saying that the fact PSG he quite likes PSG will have any influence in the outcome. In fact, he likes Barça way more than PSG and i believe he will be stubborn enough to stay and fight.
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Because Barca was offering more (money)
 
Vilarrubi

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Yeah, this is the thing people don't understand.

Ofc Neymar is not the perfect professional and is a pain to deal with but he is freaking good. Dembélé is still very much a prospect. And even in national team he is losing ground to less talented players.
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Just compared their individual awards too... forgot how many Neymar has!!!! Of course Dembele is younger but he won't achieve what Neymar has by the time he gets to that age.


Neymar:


Golden Ball award for best player at the 2013 Confederations Cup.
Campeonato Brasileiro Série A Team of the Year: 2010, 2011, 2012
Chuteira de Ouro: 2010, 2011, 2012
Bola de Prata: 2010, 2011
Bola de Ouro: 2011
Campeonato Brasileiro Série A Best Player: 2011
World Soccer Young Player of the Year: 2011
Copa Libertadores Most Valuable Player: 2011
FIFA Club World Cup Bronze Ball: 2011
South American Footballer of the Year: 2011, 2012
FIFA Puskás Award: 2011
Bola de Ouro Hors Concours: 2012
FIFA Confederations Cup Golden Ball: 2013
FIFA Confederations Cup Bronze Shoe: 2013
FIFA Confederations Cup Dream Team: 2013
FIFA World Cup Bronze Boot: 2014
FIFA World Cup Dream Team: 2014
Samba Gold: 2014, 2015, 2017
UEFA Champions League Squad of the Season: 2014–15
La Liga Best World Player: 2014–15
La Liga Player of the Month: November 2015
UNFP Ligue 1 Player of the Year: 2017–18
UNFP Ligue 1 Team of the Year: 2017–18, 2018–19
UNFP Ligue 1 Player of the Month: December 2017
UEFA Team of the Year: 2015
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2015, 2017
FIFA FIFPro World XI 2nd team: 2013, 2014, 2016, 2018
IFFHS World's Best Playmaker Bronze award: 2017
IFFHS Men's World Team: 2017

Dembele:


UNFP Ligue 1 Young Player of the Year: 2015–16
UEFA Champions League Breakthrough XI: 2016
Bundesliga Rookie of the Season: 2016–17
Bundesliga Team of the Season: 2016–17
Chevalier of the Légion d'honneur: 2018
 
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Centauri B said:
Because Barca was offering more (money)
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Money is a important factor of course but Dembélé was quite active on his twitter at the time. He was posting the different media articles about the evolution of the interest of Barça after Neymar departure. He was tagging some of his friends and some former teammates at Rennes and you could see his excitement as a kid. And you could almost predict by the way he was posting that he would do his disappearing act to force the transfer.

It is evident that Barça was and has always been his dream club.
 
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Vilarrubi said:
Just compared their individual awards too... forgot how many Neymar has!!!! Of course Dembele is younger but he won't achieve what Neymar has by the time he gets to that age.


Neymar:


Golden Ball award for best player at the 2013 Confederations Cup.
Campeonato Brasileiro Série A Team of the Year: 2010, 2011, 2012
Chuteira de Ouro: 2010, 2011, 2012
Bola de Prata: 2010, 2011
Bola de Ouro: 2011
Campeonato Brasileiro Série A Best Player: 2011
World Soccer Young Player of the Year: 2011
Copa Libertadores Most Valuable Player: 2011
FIFA Club World Cup Bronze Ball: 2011
South American Footballer of the Year: 2011, 2012
FIFA Puskás Award: 2011
Bola de Ouro Hors Concours: 2012
FIFA Confederations Cup Golden Ball: 2013
FIFA Confederations Cup Bronze Shoe: 2013
FIFA Confederations Cup Dream Team: 2013
FIFA World Cup Bronze Boot: 2014
FIFA World Cup Dream Team: 2014
Samba Gold: 2014, 2015, 2017
UEFA Champions League Squad of the Season: 2014–15
La Liga Best World Player: 2014–15
La Liga Player of the Month: November 2015
UNFP Ligue 1 Player of the Year: 2017–18
UNFP Ligue 1 Team of the Year: 2017–18, 2018–19
UNFP Ligue 1 Player of the Month: December 2017
UEFA Team of the Year: 2015
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2015, 2017
FIFA FIFPro World XI 2nd team: 2013, 2014, 2016, 2018
IFFHS World's Best Playmaker Bronze award: 2017
IFFHS Men's World Team: 2017

Dembele:


UNFP Ligue 1 Young Player of the Year: 2015–16
UEFA Champions League Breakthrough XI: 2016
Bundesliga Rookie of the Season: 2016–17
Bundesliga Team of the Season: 2016–17
Chevalier of the Légion d'honneur: 2018
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I have to say that i don't think Mbappé will ever reach Neymar level either. Not trophy wise but on perfromances.
 
FinBarcelonafan

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Also, there is the fantasy of Mbappé and Dembélé going at full speed at defences but most of the time, it has failed in French national team. You cannot have those two "direct" players, you need other profiles unless Mbappé plays as a striker.
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and they would suck defensively. Sure they can burn you in counter attack, but otherwise they will be liability.
 
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