U.S. Città di Palermo

[Valon]

Overrated? Not at all, you don't see people going mad about him like they go for Ilicic for instance, he's very underrated at the moment. He's not the best I never said that but he's very vital to Palermo at the moment because he reads the game well and breaks up play protecting the Palermo defenders plus his passing is quite decent also he gives a lot more freedom to Miggliaccio and especially Nocerino to roam further in the pitch. Yes Cassani, Balzaretti, Nocerino and Pastore are vital but so is Bacinovic. To see that you have to watch Palermo vs Catania and you'll see what I'm talking about.

 

[Ataraxia]

am sorry but you dont exactly know what you are talking about.

i will wait for valon to answer this.

you just like to jump on the bandwagon most of the time. I bet there are million other players in the world for which you said the same thing and then you forgot them. Also it's interesting you're loling over this. even if the guy is good, what makes you think he is THAT immune to criticism ? Or you just put those emoticons to make yourself look confident of what you're saying ?

He's good to be with Palermo fine, they aren't a top team anyway, if he can take a spot in Palermo's squad for the next 5 years or whatever good for him but he is still below the standard of other midfielders like Nocerino and in my opinion the only reason he's playing same as Munoz and so is because these are there options and Palermo always are looking for young blood for the future. Also he is very lightweight for someone in his position.

 

[nejcf15]

if u watched at least some last palermo games u'll see how good bačinović is... versus napoli they had no idea how to start attacking, only long passes... he was only bought for ~1million €, and already scored 2 goals for Palermo (defensive midfielder) versus milan and bologna. If he was bad, chelsea wouldnt be prepared to offer 13 million € for him, would they?

Bačinović and Iličić are both very underrated, as already Valon said... Ataraxia, watch next Palermo game and tell us how Bačinović played

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That guy (Iličić) was bought for 2,3million €.. here u can see how underrated is he

 

[Ataraxia]

First chelsea payed double that for ramires who at most is a working midfielder. Second, if you read goal.com, they are ready to pay 2398273 million for every young midfielder in the top four leagues. Third, you seriously referencing the goals Bacinovic scored ?, I mean the one on Milan for instance was a joke by the goalkeeper.

That's just over-hyping. Same thing happened with Kjaer, who never really played like the new Vidic or whatever but at least the guy though was the best CB for Palermo. Bacinovic is not even their best midfielder.

 

[House of Flies]

you just like to jump on the bandwagon most of the time. I bet there are million other players in the world for which you said the same thing and then you forgot them. Also it's interesting you're loling over this. even if the guy is good, what makes you think he is THAT immune to criticism ? Or you just put those emoticons to make yourself look confident of what you're saying ?

He's good to be with Palermo fine, they aren't a top team anyway, if he can take a spot in Palermo's squad for the next 5 years or whatever good for him but he is still below the standard of other midfielders like Nocerino and in my opinion the only reason he's playing same as Munoz and so is because these are there options and Palermo always are looking for young blood for the future. Also he is very lightweight for someone in his position.

well, i really cant help it if you dont know anything about soccer.

i really dont want to school you and make you go crying to your daddy. Cause seriously, you talk about Bacinovic being lightweight for a DMC, yet you forget about Busquets. You seriously needs to watch more football than talk out of your arse. When the fuck did I say that Bacinovic belongs to a top team but his intelligent game play allows him to stay in a Mid-tier team (with Europa ambitions) with a star status. Ilicic is less important to Palermo than Bacinovic because of the system that they play.

So shut up and sit down.

 

[Ataraxia]

well, i really cant help it if you dont know anything about soccer.

i really dont want to school you and make you go crying to your daddy.

k

 

[nejcf15]

it wasnt published first on goal.com...

indeed Abbiati did bad that night (he didnt see bacinovic shot, bacause milan defenders were on his way and he didnt see through them). Against Bologna Nocerino (not sure), saw Bačinović can do a good counterattack, so he passed him long ball, Bacinovic ran and scored from ~15-20 meters...

dude, what about if u watch him playing at least 1 game, before saying anything? I am wondering what else do u want from a defensive midfielder who is doing good in defense and midfield + he is able to score goals?

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[Ataraxia]

it wasnt published first on goal.com...

indeed Abbiati did bad that night (he didnt see bacinovic shot, bacause milan defenders were on his way and he didnt see through them). Against Bologna Nocerino (not sure), saw Bačinović can do a good counterattack, so he passed him long ball, Bacinovic ran and scored from ~15-20 meters...

dude, what about if u watch him playing at least 1 game, before saying anything? I am wondering what else do u want from a defensive midfielder who is doing good in defense and midfield + he is able to score goals?

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I don't care where it was published, it makes 0 sense anyway even more so when you're Slovenian and get double the rumors when it comes to players from your country. Plus I do watch him, but the reasons you're putting out are just not strong, sorry. scoring a goal means nothing ( watch some youtube videos of 3rd division khasazkhstan leagues and you'll see how the bottom league team players can score them as well). Also I am still convinced that he's not even their best midfielder. Whole point is there are a million other football players in the world that can do the same as Bacinovic is doing in this team.

 

[Valon]

Who said he is their best midfielder?

 

[Sergio]

To be honest, I see where the guy is coming from, like its a trend I have noticed in Serie A that the press does have a tendency to overstate the talents of new players in our league. I think it is a case of feeling a pressure to have an array of stars like Spain and England, less so Germany. Its especially true with Zamparini's Palermo with their talent spotting agenda for profit. I would say he is a victim or beneficiary of that depending on your point of view. He is a decent prospect, and is important in his role at Palermo no doubt - wouldn't be so harsh to say otherwise. But he's no star, not yet, a star in the making, well maybe.

 

[House of Flies]

To be honest, I see where the guy is coming from, like its a trend I have noticed in Serie A that the press does have a tendency to overstate the talents of new players in our league. I think it is a case of feeling a pressure to have an array of stars like Spain and England, less so Germany. Its especially true with Zamparini's Palermo with their talent spotting agenda for profit. I would say he is a victim or beneficiary of that depending on your point of view. He is a decent prospect, and is important in his role at Palermo no doubt - wouldn't be so harsh to say otherwise. But he's no star, not yet, a star in the making, well maybe.

thats the thing. None of us (Valon, that slovein guy or I) have stated that Bacinovic is going to be a star for a top team but he is much more vital to Palermo than Ilicic. Ataraxia is just trying to justify that we consider him to be the top dog of Palermo cause its hands down Pastore. The argument was that Bacinovic is more important than Ilicic and I have no idea how it got turned into what it turned into.

 

[Ataraxia]

yes and you editing your post so you put some actual debate into it just because I blatantly ignored you is pathetic, more so when it ended up only including insults.

As for now, you are still repeating the same thing, he is already out-shined by the other midfielders in the team and yet you are calling him more vital than Ilicic. Get that through your head and stop acting offensive. I bet I watched the guy more than you ever did and will ever do, it's just that you always come with knee-jerk reactions whenever you hear ( not even see) anything.

 

[House of Flies]

yes and you editing your post so you put some actual debate into it just because I blatantly ignored you is pathetic, more so when it ended up only including insults.

As for now, you are still repeating the same thing, he is already out-shined by the other midfielders in the team and yet you are calling him more vital than Ilicic. Get that through your head and stop acting offensive. I bet I watched the guy more than you ever did and will ever do, it's just that you always come with knee-jerk reactions whenever you hear ( not even see) anything.

wah wah wah.

busquets doesnt shine for barcelona but he is vital to barcelona. makelele didnt shine for real or chelsea but both teams still have trouble replacing him. dont be on a football forum when you cant realise that there are a few positions on the field where it is in a player's interest to stay out of the limelight.

 

[Ataraxia]

who said outshine means scoring goals or making tricks etc? I am talking about performances and both Makelele and Busquets stand out in that ( ie shine).

I hope he becomes a good player anyway, I appreciate any young talent in Serie A and watch them very closely. but the word vital and Bacinovic can never go together now. Just because he ended up being used for certain purposes doesn't make him that. Even Kjaer who was even more highly regarded wasn't more vital than any of the other three defenders in the team. This overhyping will always go on. Some people think that just because a player has potential, he already will get there.

 

[Valon]

Kjaer was more vital and better than Bovo what are you talking about?