Windhook
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American investment banks. Something I would attribute to Florentino's connections.
European Super League
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"20 of the 32 blue league teams are relegated each season"
"2 of the 32 blue league teams promote each season"
That's a tough sell. On the other hand I have read that the blue league teams would earn more than the CL teams currently. So that would in theory keep the domestic leagues competitive as the carrot for a Real Sociedad or Girona is bigger than the current CL, Europa League and Conference League model, and also adds better stakes to those secondary competitions.
The model is better than what we have, and definitely better than what we are going to get with the CL changes. But getting it through the heads of the vocal English idiots is a tough sell until they actually see it in action.
"2 of the 32 blue league teams promote each season"
That's a tough sell. On the other hand I have read that the blue league teams would earn more than the CL teams currently. So that would in theory keep the domestic leagues competitive as the carrot for a Real Sociedad or Girona is bigger than the current CL, Europa League and Conference League model, and also adds better stakes to those secondary competitions.
The model is better than what we have, and definitely better than what we are going to get with the CL changes. But getting it through the heads of the vocal English idiots is a tough sell until they actually see it in action.
FinBarcelonafan
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Interesting concept. Maybe we will see it?
Agree there should be more teams relegated in the top leagues.
This is maybe not finished yet, but how would teams promote to the blue league?
Say Sociedad are in Blue League and finish in one of the relegation spots but at the same time have a good year in Spain and finish 3rd. Shouldn't they then get a spot in Blue League?
Would think they best placed teams other than those already in Star/Gold would qualify for Blue.
delancey
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Well… the major con is that instead of facing Man City or Arsenal in the CL, we would face FC Basel and FC Porto, etc. Quality would decrease tremendously (at least short term).
And why would the English government get involved? Perhaps they should let companies and institutions join whichever league benefits them the most? What business is that of theirs? Fascism galore!
Regardless, who wants to watch a Super League comprised of crappy teams (bar Juventus, Barca and RM)?
In theory they would re-qualify through the domestic league paths, based off of their league position. The question then comes what if Spanish teams keep getting into the Star and Gold League, then are there no domestic league paths open for more Spanish teams or could (exagerrated the whole of the Super League be 60 Spanish teams
To be honest, there is too much theory and someone who gets paid for it should do some 5-10 year modelling on how this works for the majority in European football and if it indeeds benefits the majority.
Well… the major con is that instead of facing Man City or Arsenal in the CL, we would face FC Basel and FC Porto, etc. Quality would decrease tremendously (at least short term).
And why would the English government get involved? Perhaps they should let companies and institutions join whichever league benefits them the most? What business is that of theirs? Fascism galore!
Regardless, who wants to watch a Super League comprised of crappy teams (bar Juventus, Barca and RM)?
The other angle is that if there is more money in this than the CL without the EPL sides, then the likes of Porto, Ajax and Fenerbache would be able to recruit top talents to make it a worthy challenger alternative.
Look at the Saudi League. Atleast the European clubs hold legacy names. Fair weather fans will follow the player names.
Whilst we can't ignore that a football competition outside the grasp of FIFA and UEFA and be projected differently and be more digestable commercially rather than the archaic style right now.
Windhook
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I could totally understand where the two clubs are coming from. EPL is making 6b in revenue, CL generates 4b. The gap with England is growing, continental clubs are falling back in finances, becoming less competitive. Corporate owned Bayern and Qatar SG could talk about "the romance of European club football", but that's because they have their resources guaranteed. The hypocrisy.
The Super League has potential, but needs the right formula to sell it to the fans. It could become bigger than NBA and MLB, why not even NFL. The fanbase of European football is unmatched. UEFA needs to embrace it and refine some of the aspects, keeping the brand Champions League alive. Otherwise it could end with 4 English clubs in 1/2 finals of CL in ten years or sooner.
One of the key questions I missed in the video or it wasn't included - let's say Superleague is fact, then what happens if Girona wins La Liga. Where do they go while Real, Barca and Atletico have theirs spot in Tier 1, Blue league or whatever nonsense it was.
The Super League has potential, but needs the right formula to sell it to the fans. It could become bigger than NBA and MLB, why not even NFL. The fanbase of European football is unmatched. UEFA needs to embrace it and refine some of the aspects, keeping the brand Champions League alive. Otherwise it could end with 4 English clubs in 1/2 finals of CL in ten years or sooner.
One of the key questions I missed in the video or it wasn't included - let's say Superleague is fact, then what happens if Girona wins La Liga. Where do they go while Real, Barca and Atletico have theirs spot in Tier 1, Blue league or whatever nonsense it was.
delancey
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That’s true; the SL “could” in essence redefine who the big guns are! The question is if smaller teams (Porto, Basel, etc), who finish in mid-table in the SL, would earn that much more than they do right now! Also… who’s to say that UEFA doesn’t increase the prize money to make it more lucrative for the big guns to remain? Every action has a response… so to speak.
The other angle is that if there is more money in this than the CL without the EPL sides, then the likes of Porto, Ajax and Fenerbache would be able to recruit top talents to make it a worthy challenger alternative.
Look at the Saudi League. Atleast the European clubs hold legacy names. Fair weather fans will follow the player names.
Whilst we can't ignore that a football competition outside the grasp of FIFA and UEFA and be projected differently and be more digestable commercially rather than the archaic style right now.
Finally, what makes the CL appealing to me is facing other big clubs: Arsenal, Manchester City, Liverpool, Bayern, Dortmund, PSG, etc. That won’t exist if other big clubs don’t join in. To assume that FC Porto will suddenly turn into Bayern Munich is far-fetched. In my opinion, in order for it to work, big clubs (not all) need to be onboard. Or… start the SL and continue to compete in the CL.
But Sure… follow da money. But if fewer people tune in because it’s always FC Barca vs FC Basel/Young Boys, it may not even result in more money?
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delancey
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You know what could really make it fun? Add a few teams from the biggest leagues outside of Europe. MLS, Brazilian league, etc. that would at the very least increase the audience thus increasing €€€€
But I’d still want to watch Barca vs Bayern. I’d miss that so much if we stopped competing in the CL and replaced it with the SL comprised of Young Boys and FC Basel to fill up spots.
But I’d still want to watch Barca vs Bayern. I’d miss that so much if we stopped competing in the CL and replaced it with the SL comprised of Young Boys and FC Basel to fill up spots.
Windhook
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The most recent Champions League final between Man City and Inter was a proof for me about the quality gap in European football. Inter got there by lucky draws, facing teams of their calibre, while Man City beat the top dogs. Not for a single moment I thought Inter could pull a miracle.
Has been far more one-sided finals than that, so i don't see how it proves anything.
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