4 - Ronald Araújo

serghei

Senior Member
Aruajo had an easy pass to the RB or back to GK.

What fucked him up was taking a step round the ball to get on his right foot. There was no real pressure there had he passed to RB early or positioned himself properly to pass back to the GK.

Not as easy as Pjanic. There was pressure there. That's why he hesitated, he didn't know how to continue and the player was pressing him. Pjanic did what Rakitic used to do a lot. Transferred the pressure to a technically inferior player (nearly all defenders are less skilled on the ball than playmakers).
 
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JamDav1982

Senior Member
Not as easy as Pjanic.

Pjanic pass to him was bog standard and easy to play forward, pass to RB or turn back to keeper. There was nothing wrong with it and happens a hundred times a game.

Could say it was a nothing pass other than to pull out a midfielder maybe but wasnt putting him under pressure. There was a clear pass to the RB on and it is a situation CB should deal with easily.
 

serghei

Senior Member
All I'm saying is that the team lacks many things in terms of passing and moving. Collectively. And it also comes from not having a great manager for nearly a decade.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
The worst part of Pjanic there was throwing arms up and making no real attempt to get back even if ended up in goal he wasnt to know that at time and should be trying to get back quicker.
 

serghei

Senior Member
The worst part of Pjanic there was throwing arms up and making no real attempt to get back even if ended up in goal he wasnt to know that at time and should be trying to get back quicker.

That too. But the pass in the first place is one of the things to be avoided. Short pass with pressure on to a defender already in retreat. So, for me, even these individual errors, they are "encouraged" and "helped" by collective problems. Of positioning, and shape.

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Look on the press of Eibar, how there is ZERO options for a pass between the lines in all the sectors around Pjanic. The shape is terrible. Too many players waiting for the ball upfield, and almost no one looking to receive between the lines.

It's true, both Pjanic and Araujo are expected to complete a pass to Mingueza there, but more options should be on the table than just one pass. That's the way the best teams play. At a top European team, no way that huge space in front of Pjanic is empty and filled only with 5-6 Eibar players without a single Barca player making a move to claim it and run the play through it. That's a key area for any progression.

We need a manager to coach the usage of space and off the ball movement. Players should always appear between the lines for a pass in key central areas. That's how you unlock these teams.
 
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JamDav1982

Senior Member
That pass is fine and is something that happens all the time to try and draw out midfielders to leave space.

If that is deemed as pressure situation then Araujo wont last at Barca but it wasnt he should have dealt with an easy situation better and made an error.

Araujo turned that normal situation into one he made an error on by being indecisive and trying a ridiculous attempt to get ball onto right foot to pass back to GK.

Would be more worried if that was seen as a pressure situation than just the mistake it was.

Aruajo 'was in retreat' as had just passed to Pjanic and knew it was most likely coming back and to give a better angle.
 
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serghei

Senior Member
That pass is fine and is something that happens all the time to try and draw out midfielders to leave space.

If that is deemed as pressure situation then Araujo wont last at Barca but it wasnt he should have dealt with an easy situation better and made an error.

I don't think it is. It's a very inefficient pass for breaking a pressure situation. Look how short the distance between Pjanic and Araujo is. Any pass between two players this close will cause problems.

One single hesitation from Araujo and you lose the ball. Efficient possession football is designed to minimize the risk of that happening.

But I'm not blaming Pjanic alone. The whole structure is bad. As long as we don't fix these issues and put this as merely a personal error we'll not get anywhere.

One player showing up between the lines for a pass, and not only this error doesn't happen, but you probably create a good chance in return.
 
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JamDav1982

Senior Member
I don't think it is. It's a very inefficient pass for breaking a pressure situation. Look how short the distance between Pjanic and Araujo is. Any pass between two players this close will cause problems.

One single hesitation from Araujo and you lose the ball. Efficient possession football is designed to minimize the risk of that happening.

But I'm not blaming Pjanic alone. The whole structure is bad.

It is a simple situation and Aruajo was expecting ball back he was moving for it.

As said if that is pressure situation he wont last as those passes will happen regularly every game and tighter ones with less options on.

Even Mingueza reads it as going back to Aruajo and is making angle.

Efficient football at Barca is being able to deal with straightforward situations like that. The midfield and defenders actively try to draw opposition out at times to create space.
 

serghei

Senior Member
It is a simple situation and Aruajo was expecting ball back he was moving for it.

As said if that is pressure situation he wont last as those passes will happen regularly every game and tighter ones with less options on.

Even Mingueza reads it as going back to Aruajo and is making angle.

Efficient football at Barca is being able to deal with straightforward situations like that. The midfield and defenders actively try to draw opposition out at times to create space.

If those things will happen regularly in the future as well, forget Araujo not making it. We'll be lucky to win a decent title until 2025, no matter who plays.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
There is a lot of over analysis here to remove blame from Araujo.
He is the one ,solely, to blame. If this was a player that isn't under 25 no one would have get him an excuse.
He is young and made a mistake, hopefully he will learn and we have to move on.
 
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Messigician

Senior Member
My captain

Ronald Araujo: ?My error? I take full responsibility. It is a problem of concentration. It's a shame, but now we have to lift our heads and move on? #FCB 🇺🇾
 

serghei

Senior Member
There is a lot of over analysis here to remove blame from Araujo.
He is the one ,solely, to blame. If this was a player that isn't under 25 no one would have get him an excuse.
He is young and made a mistake, hopefully he will learn and we have to move on.

You missed the point. It was said before that Araujo was responsible. The analysis is not to exempt Araujo from his personal error. It was to show how badly we move on the field, which increases the risk of players making errors like that.
 

feggydinho

Senior Member
You missed the point. It was said before that Araujo was responsible. The analysis is not to exempt Araujo from his personal error. It was to show how badly we move on the field, which increases the risk of players making errors like that.

We are just hyping the incident as that was a simple routine pass and a horrible mistake by Araujo (who was very good until that moment)
 

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