Lionel Messi - v7

JamDav1982

Senior Member
^^^ And all this proves is that you can't function at the top without a well coached team full of top class players. That even with incredible players like Messi it is not possible to beat the other top teams without support from your team mates. Current Barca does not have a squad that is anywhere ner top class, and certainly not a coach that has any pedigree or frankly a clue! This has been the case for at least 5yrs now, but no the focus for some on here is to blame the one player that has kept them relevant.

Messi let his team mates down too often as well in CL.

Cant claim Messi was failed by his team mates when he was the one team was built round and the levels of all of them including Messi dropped too often in CL.

Barca have had a better side than a lot of teams that have outperformed them in CL in recent years.
 

Morten

Senior Member
Look into the thread, people are questioning his contribution for us in the past. He is not giving as much as he did in the past, I agree. Is he toxic like people say though ?

It depends, it can be warranted, but most of the time its not.
For the 18-19 campaign? Anyone criticising Messi in the CL that season doesn`t have a clue, he played his heart out.
19-20? Not his best campaign by a long shot, but then, as soon as Bayern was drawn, it was only ever going to go one way, years in the making.
Though it was always going to be a loss, him and Suarez not tracking back did contribute to Bayerns trashing, so there is that.

Roma away? Considering its Roma, probably a different story, though i didnt actually watch that game, but im sure he could have done more in that game.

There has been a trend, however, that Messi doesnt score many away goals in CL, but then, he still does create chances even in the away legs, so lets not discard that.
 
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malvolio

Senior Member
It depends, it can be warranted, but most of the time its not.
For the 18-19 campaign? Anyone criticising Messi in the CL that season doesn`t have a clue, he played his heart out.
19-20? Not his best campaign by a long shot, but then, as soon as Bayern was drawn, it was only ever going to go one way, years in the making, nothing he could do really.
Roma away? Considering its Roma, probably a different story, though i didnt actually watch that game, but im sure he could have done more in that game.

There has been a trend, however, that Messi doesnt score many away goals in CL, but then, he still does create chances even in the away legs, so lets not discard that.

imagine the career of the best player ever hanging by a thread called "away goals in the CL KOs". if you read some comments in here one might think that the lad played three games his whole career and failed in all of them - roma away, liverpool away and bayern in lisbon.

wanted to write a longer post, but seems it's useless anyway. not worth the hassle to ruin a friday evening. buy yourselves something nice, it's black friday after all :lol:
 

Mitchell1978

Senior Member
No one 'forced him to stay' rather they forced him to honour the contract he signed before he tried to get out of it last minute when they sold his chum.

They forced him to respect a legal document signed by him and the club so then its only fair the club respects that same legal document 3 months later




Even then those are gone and it is future of club that matters... but not for the fanboys like you.

You make it sound like caring more about a club, an entity (that has been poorly run btw) then a legendary footballer is an honorable thing, is the right thing to do...
 

sikkboy

New member
Barca had a squad better than Real for most of last five years and they were winning multople CLs.

Messi and Barca just failed too often in big games.

Cant claim likes of Roma were a better team that season or Atletico before them or even Juventus.

The issue was Barca players and Messi not being good enough too often in those big CL games.

Nonsense. :lol: Madrid won 3CLs in 5 yrs because they had just that, the best squad of players capable of upping their game as a team time and time again. They had goals and differnece makers all over the pitch. One would have an off game, somebody else would step up. Their midfield, can't remember which year it was, arguably as good as that 2011 CL winning Barca midfield. They had two of the best performing attacking full backs in the world for a couple of years. They had the #1 and #5 all-time top CL goalscorers playing as a well oiled up-front pair. They have a club legend CB as their captain who has won absolutely everything ther eis to win in the game. They had Bale, they had Casemiro they had Isco, they had Kovacic, hell they even had Jese. :lol:

Messi had, who was it Coutinho, and Gomes, and Denis Suarez, and Paulinho, ohhh, and don't forget Yerry Mina. :lol: :lol: :lol: Messi was the main reason they won anything at all in those years. I mean really???
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
They forced him to respect a legal document signed by him and the club so then its only fair the club respects that same legal document 3 months later






You make it sound like caring more about a club, an entity (that has been poorly run btw) then a legendary footballer is an honorable thing, is the right thing to do...

Messi refusing to take a pay cut is one thing but 'hoping' he does so it damages the club is another.

There is a big difference.

Yes club is more important than Messi if you are a Barca fan for likes of you who is a Messi fan then it will be different.
 

serghei

Senior Member
The best thing when Messi will be gone is we will lose these so-called Barca fans who are only here because of Messi. I have a feeling the forum quality will go up.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Nonsense. :lol: Madrid won 3CLs in 5 yrs because they had just that, the best squad of players capable of upping their game as a team time and time again. They had goals and differnece makers all over the pitch. One would have an off game, somebody else would step up. Their midfield, can't remember which year it was, arguably as good as that 2011 CL winning Barca midfield. They had two of the best performing attacking full backs in the world for a couple of years. They had the #1 and #5 all-time top CL goalscorers playing as a well oiled up-front pair. They have a club legend CB as their captain who has won absolutely everything ther eis to win in the game. They had Bale, they had Casemiro they had Isco, they had Kovacic, hell they even had Jese. :lol:

Messi had, who was it Coutinho, and Gomes, and Denis Suarez, and Paulinho, ohhh, and don't forget Yerry Mina. :lol: :lol: :lol: Messi was the main reason they won anything at all in those years. I mean really???

Barca were regularly beating Real and better than them in league for large parts of it. Real did not have the better side.

Just like Roma didnt, Juventus didnt and Atletico didnt when put Barca out. When Messi and Barca underperformed.

Real had star players like Ronaldo who is best CL player ever who stepped up in those games but he is not better than Messi and Real were not the better side across all those CLs.
 

sikkboy

New member
Messi let his team mates down too often as well in CL.

Cant claim Messi was failed by his team mates when he was the one team was built round and the levels of all of them including Messi dropped too often in CL.

Barca have had a better side than a lot of teams that have outperformed them in CL in recent years.

Look your not getting it. My point all along, from when I first started posting was that Messi hasn't had a team buit around him. :lol:
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Look your not getting it. My point all along, from when I first started posting was that Messi hasn't had a team buit around him. :lol:

Barca and Messi had a better team than Atletico, Juventus and Roma when eliminated.

Barca beat Real regularly and finished above them in league more often than not when they were winning their CLs.

You like to push this narrative that Messi had no chance due to poor team mates which is nonsense.

The whole Barca team.. Messi included... failed on the big stage in CL too often and let their performances dip.
 

sikkboy

New member
Barca were regularly beating Real and better than them in league for large parts of it. Real did not have the better side.

Just like Roma didnt, Juventus didnt and Atletico didnt when put Barca out. When Messi and Barca underperformed.

Real had star players like Ronaldo who is best CL player ever who stepped up in those games but he is not better than Messi and Real were not the better side across all those CLs.

Are you intentionally being dim? Madrid prioritised the CL and laughed at Barca for claiming the league title was more important (I don't agree with Or believe Madrid actually thought this although there are many who believe that the CL is the competition to win.). They won it 4 times in the space of five years, and up until they won it three times on the trot nobody had ever won back to back. You know this of course yet you can't recognise that they were an absolutely beat of a team. Barca felt inadequate and Messi made his vow. They fell just short but not through lack of effort from the wee #10. I repeat not from lack of effort, or determination from Leo Messi.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Are you intentionally being dim? Madrid prioritised the CL and laughed at Barca for claiming the league title was more important (I don't agree with Or believe Madrid actually thought this although there are many who believe that the CL is the competition to win.). They won it 4 times in the space of five years, and up until they won it three times on the trot nobody had ever won back to back. You know this of course yet you can't recognise that they were an absolutely beat of a team. Barca felt inadequate and Messi made his vow. They fell just short but not through lack of effort from the wee #10. I repeat not from lack of effort, or determination from Leo Messi.

Ah the old 'Madrid didnt care about league' argument.

Pathetic stuff.

Real won it as the best ever CL player turned up in that competition to level he was not even week in week out in La Liga.

Real team overperformed and Barca who were the better team domestically week in week out and when the two sides met more often than not failed in CL.

Messi and Barca were losing to teams they were better than... yet you go with the poor Messi could do nothing as he had shit team mates.
 

sikkboy

New member
Barca and Messi had a better team than Atletico, Juventus and Roma when eliminated.

Barca beat Real regularly and finished above them in league more often than not when they were winning their CLs.

You like to push this narrative that Messi had no chance due to poor team mates which is nonsense.

The whole Barca team.. Messi included... failed on the big stage in CL too often and let their performances dip.

Christ who gives a fuck who had the better team, it's KO football shit happens, some people step up some don't. One man can't be expected to step up everytime, and especially in a limited team. Barca have been limited for a good five years now. I'm done with this. Won't matter a jot to people like you. Hating on your best player ever coz he isn't superman in every game he ever played. :lol:
 

Morten

Senior Member
Are you intentionally being dim? Madrid prioritised the CL and laughed at Barca for claiming the league title was more important (I don't agree with Or believe Madrid actually thought this although there are many who believe that the CL is the competition to win.). They won it 4 times in the space of five years, and up until they won it three times on the trot nobody had ever won back to back. You know this of course yet you can't recognise that they were an absolutely beat of a team. Barca felt inadequate and Messi made his vow. They fell just short but not through lack of effort from the wee #10. I repeat not from lack of effort, or determination from Leo Messi.

In 15/16, and in 17/18, we simply had a shit first half of the season, it wasn`t because we "prioritised" the CL over the league, in 16/17 we were always in the title-race.
CL is always the biggest trophy, but we do value league titles, contrary to popular belief.
 

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