La Liga 2019/20

[evilhita666]

I agree with those who say VAR is not the problem but how it is applied.

Every matchday there's different calls for the same play in different games. Sometimes there are VAR checks, sometimes there are not. It was supposed to remove ambiguity but it has actually made it more difficult to discern because of how it's been used. And to a degree it has made bad calls even more scandalous since refs have now a way to make sure their decisions are correct and still get them wrong.

I think VAR should be only requested by coaches and in a limited amount. For example a coach can challenge a ref decision to be checked by VAR once per half or something like that.

If refereeing has benefitted RM or not, well, the images are there for everyone to judge.

 

[serghei]

You forgot this beauty from 16/17 season:

At 0:40..

When Bruno Soriano became Villarreal?s 2nd goalkeeper ref stood in perfect position to see. No pen. We drew 1-1.

Hell, if I put hours into this, there are 10-15 errors of this magnitude in the 2nd part of that season. Surprise, surprise, all vs Valencia, Villareal, Malaga, Betis etc. All tough away games. Almost none at home.

 

[evilhita666]

Good news, marca just reported Ramos stamp was unintentional and therefore no penalty. We can go home now.

Obviously they are not to be taken seriously, but it is hilarious how they manipulate info. Just a few days ago they said that Semedo's penalty foul was crystal clear even if it was unintentional, hahaha...

 

[Vilarrubi]

Hell, if I put hours into this, there are 10-15 errors of this magnitude in the 2nd part of that season.

Would be interesting if someone did it in detail with this season big decisions for and against Barca and Madrid (would take fucking hours going through all the games) If it came out where it was roughly equal then I’d hold my hands up and say fair enough, but I doubt it would.

 

[Raketa10]

I agree with those who say VAR is not the problem but how it is applied.

Every matchday there's different calls for the same play in different games. Sometimes there are VAR checks, sometimes there are not. It was supposed to remove ambiguity but it has actually made it more difficult to discern because of how it's been used. And to a degree it has made bad calls even more scandalous since refs have now a way to make sure their decisions are correct and still get them wrong.

I think VAR should be only requested by coaches and in a limited amount. For example a coach can challenge a ref decision to be checked by VAR once per half or something like that.

If refereeing has benefitted RM or not, well, the images are there for everyone to judge.

Of course VAR is not the problem, it's a system of cameras so it can't be flawed. The real problem are people who are using it only to support decisions in a way it suits them. IMHO every team should have a number of calls as sometimes a referee doesn't even want to take a look into a situation. There were examples where a clear mistake was made and a VAR room didn't even react.

 

[El Gato]

So if VAR usage is seriously inconsistent and flawed how the hell has improved the game?

Because it provides opportunity to correct some if not all mistakes in a game of football. It's like saying a car is no better than a bike, because it can still break down. The crux doesn't lie in the system, but the ability of refs to make correct decisions efficiently while using technology assuming they have all the relevant tools at hand.

Like I said before the inconsistencies, the ridiculous amount of time to make a decision(sometimes up to 5 minutes), a particular thing is given one game and not the next. After every goal there is a check pretty much now, for example yesterday there was a check for 4 out of 5 Man United goals, each one was fine but it took to long to decide. The refinement part is quickly coming to a sensible decision, instead of analysing it for 4 or 5 minutes and giving ridiculously harsh calls.

Out of curiosity what country do you live in? As there's pretty much debate about it on a daily basis in the UK with pundits,managers and players on the TV etc. I assume it's more accepting in your part of the world.

UK

Why does time to make a decision matter? The most common reason I here about this is that fans don't want to wait and stand there like a gammon waiting for the call, because it "takes emotion out of the game". Which is ludicrous.
What I can agree to is that some refs need to do better to assess the situation faster, especially those in the truck with more time and angle to assess the situation properly. AND that the tech itself needs to improve to track the action better. But that will come with time.

The biggest controversy should be, and is, around the autonomy of the main referee. Because if the ultimate goal is to make the game efficient and it is easier to make some of these calls remotely, then there's no point of referring to the first official. But some countries will not accept that culturally.

Pundit debates don't interest me. Most of the players and coaches are over 45 years old and talk out of their ass about technology when they can't even use a smartphone.

 

[serghei]

Would be interesting if someone did it in detail with this season big decisions for and against Barca and Madrid (would take fucking hours going through all the games) If it came out where it was roughly equal then I’d hold my hands up and say fair enough, but I doubt it would.

No because then you have guys like Wolfe who would go to the moon and backwards to question everything. Like he usually does. Wolfe says every pen Madrid get for a slight touch is stonewall.

Like Vinicius pen vs Espanyol is stonewall, for some minimal contact when shooting. But Messi vs Celta for a similar incident is not.

 

[Morten]

Leave it to Madrid to make what should have been an easy La Liga win yet another scandal. These guys can't win anything in Spain in the Messi era without controversy.

This is the greatest achievement of Messi in his career. Guy would be standing on 12 La Ligas with fair refereeing.

I dont know what is the point of this, we all know this isnt exactly a revolutionary RM-side.
We hardly score goals, for heaven sake.

 

[serghei]

I dont know what is the point of this, we all know this isnt exactly a revolutionary RM-side.
We hardly score goals, for heaven sake.

The point is, even in the rare cases when you win the title, it's usually with some scandalous decisions in many tough games.

 

[Messigician]

This is embarrassing, people using referees as an excuse for Real Madrid's superiority... Where is your pride?

This is humiliating, people making excuses for our club's blatant inferiority. Don't make excuses. Find the reasons behind our failings, take responsibility to solve those issues and take action!

This is not the time to sit here with a defeatist attitude feeling sorry for ourselves.

 

[Raketa10]

Because it provides opportunity to correct some if not all mistakes in a game of football. It's like saying a car is no better than a bike, because it can still break down. The crux doesn't lie in the system, but the ability of refs to make correct decisions efficiently while using technology assuming they have all the relevant tools at hand.



UK

Why does time to make a decision matter? The most common reason I here about this is that fans don't want to wait and stand there like a gammon waiting for the call, because it "takes emotion out of the game". Which is ludicrous.
What I can agree to is that some refs need to do better to assess the situation faster, especially those in the truck with more time and angle to assess the situation properly. AND that the tech itself needs to improve to track the action better. But that will come with time.

The biggest controversy should be, and is, around the autonomy of the main referee. Because if the ultimate goal is to make the game efficient and it is easier to make some of these calls remotely, then there's no point of referring to the first official. But some countries will not accept that culturally.

Pundit debates don't interest me. Most of the players and coaches are over 45 years old and talk out of their ass about technology when they can't even use a smartphone.

Wolfe the real problem is that exactly the same situation is sometimes described as a penalty and sometimes not. Also sometimes VAR room reacts and sometimes doesn't. As long as this is happening we haven't done anything good for the game. I am not talking about system but referees. As long as referees can interpret the same situation in a two different ways people will be furious. What is the purpose of VAR when a hand is sometimes a penalty and sometimes not?

Let's move away from La Liga. In the World Cup final France was awarded with a free kick after a seriously questionable foul. They scored a first goal from that FK. However, VAR wasn't used to check up that situation. On the other side VAR was consulted regarding penalty for France second goal. How the hell is that fair?

 

[Morten]

Well, you guys can take solace in the fact that trying to keep clean sheets and rely on penalties will not suffice against City.

 

[Horatio]

The spartan has spoken.

 

[El Gato]

Wolfe the real problem is that exactly the same situation is sometimes described as a penalty and sometimes not. Also sometimes VAR room reacts and sometimes doesn't. As long as this is happening we haven't done anything good for the game. I am not talking about system but referees. As long as referees can interpret the same situation in a two different ways people will be furious. What is the purpose of VAR when a hand is sometimes a penalty and sometimes not?

Let's move away from La Liga. In the World Cup final France was awarded with a free kick after a seriously questionable foul. They scored a first goal from that FK. However, VAR wasn't used to check up that situation. On the other side VAR was consulted regarding penalty for France second goal. How the hell is that fair?

None of which is the fault of VAR. Define what you understand as 'VAR'.

 

[serghei]

Point of Wolfe is that the gun doesn't kill people. Other people kill people using the gun. Still the gun is bad, because it gives people a very convenient and sure way of killing other people.