Quique Setien

[JamDav1982]

It is the job of the team and the coach to protect a 3-0 lead,even if it was lucky in the first place.

Yes and it is the coach of job and players to win first leg as they did.

The two ties were closer than some fabrication that Barca were lucky to win 3-0 but also deserved the 4-0.

The two ties were closer and xG shows that but is twisted to be Barca lucky/shit.

Of course they should have not got beat 4-0 in second leg and that was mainly on players fuck ups in a game on balance that should never have been 4-0.

 

[bismp]

Yes and it is the coach of job and players to win first leg as they did.

The two ties were closer than some fabrication that Barca were lucky to win 3-0 but also deserved the 4-0.

The two ties were closer and xG shows that but is twisted to be Barca lucky/shit.

Of course they should have not got beat 4-0 in second leg and that was mainly on players fuck ups in a game on balance that should never have been 4-0.

Yeah and Inter in 2010 and Chelsea in 2012 were lucky to go through so what? They had the balls to ride their luck,protect the results of the first leg,play with heart and avoid silly mistakes.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yeah and Inter in 2010 and Chelsea in 2012 were lucky to go through so what? They had the balls to ride their luck,protect the results of the first leg,play with heart and avoid silly mistakes.

What relevance does that have?

 

[Marshall D Teach]

I still don't get why is EV with 2 La Ligas in 2 years in the same sentence as Tata and Setien, lol?

Because even Tata or Setien would have won those 2 Ligas. Tata even got the same points haul as Valverde 18/19. The 81 points Setien is on course for (as was Valverde this season) would also have been enough to win both of Valverde's Ligas.

There really isn't much of a gap in ability between the three.

 

[vegitot]

Because even Tata or Setien would have won those 2 Ligas. Tata even got the same points haul as Valverde 18/19. The 81 points Setien is on course for (as was Valverde this season) would also have been enough to win both of Valverde's Ligas.

There really isn't much of a gap in ability between the three.

Message me when Tata or Setien won the league with only one lost (actually invicible at that time we won the league). That will never happen.

Remember 2017 won 3-0 against champion league winner RM at their own backyard. Setien lost to way worse RM completely.

So many people here think Liga 17/17, 18/19 are some kind of friendly cup. How about watching RM lift it this season???

 

[vegitot]

Yeah and Inter in 2010 and Chelsea in 2012 were lucky to go through so what? They had the balls to ride their luck,protect the results of the first leg,play with heart and avoid silly mistakes.

Blame Messi for missing the penalty

 

[vegitot]

15/16 would KILL the 17/18 team.

And I really doubt that the 17/18 team would beat the 16/17 or the 13/14 team. Maybe 17/18 was more consistent against La Liga minions,but head to head 13/14 and 16/17 may have been better.

16/17 is better because of MSN.

13/14 is way worse. Messi being lazy for saving his energy fot world cup can not compare to Messi 2017/2018.

 

[vegitot]

And you never will.

Surely winning two Liga, plus thrashing RM twice is worse than nothing lol.

Enjoy nothing this season.

 

[bismp]

16/17 is better because of MSN.

13/14 is way worse. Messi being lazy for saving his energy fot world cup can not compare to Messi 2017/2018.

Message me when Tata or Setien won the league with only one lost (actually invicible at that time we won the league). That will never happen.

Remember 2017 won 3-0 against champion league winner RM at their own backyard. Setien lost to way worse RM completely.

So many people here think Liga 17/17, 18/19 are some kind of friendly cup. How about watching RM lift it this season???

13/14(at the height of La Liga prominence): 87 points

16/17: 90 points

17/18(GOAT LA LIGA SEASON THANKS TO THE GOAT,EV): 93 points

18/19(EV WON BACK TO BACK,WHAT A CHAMP): 87 points

19/20(POOR EV GOT FIRED): 40 points at the middle of the season,on pace for a staggering 80 points tally

Blame Messi for missing the penalty

Sure Messi is to blame for 2012.But both Inter and Chelsea were really "lucky" by EV cultists' standards to avoid conceding 4 goals Or maybe they played well enough not only to avoid being humiliated,but also to protect their lead and qualify to the final.

 

[serghei]

Surely winning two Liga, plus thrashing RM twice is worse than nothing lol.

Enjoy nothing this season.

Lol, as if conditions now are the same as when EV came. Situation at the club is like a cancer that spread and spread since Lucho left, who happens to be the last manager with real authority and leadership since Pep, the only one since Pep if we're being honest. Only one who stood against some veterans, benched Pique, had the guts to sub key players during games, benched Alba, benched Rakitic, even when the alternative was Andre Gomes.

Setien is not better, but the worshiping of Valverde is downright hilarious. Also, during EV we had the worst half a season in more than a decade. Guy imploded this season and got the team to a state were we were being outplayed by teams like Levante and Granada. The failure of this season is as much EV's as is Setien's.

EV was lucky enough to arrive at a point when the veterans were still turning 30 and not as bad and as old as they are now. There's a big difference between a 29-30 year old player, and a 32-33 year old player. And the veterans weren't as undisciplined as they are now. If EV would come now, he'd be fucking dead and sacked in 6 months like Setien was. Only hope of this team is to promote new players, and we all know EV was totally crap at that.

You can think short term and play 29-30 year old veterans, and maybe do fine short term and win some titles. Try doing that with 33 years old key players at the proposition is different.

Only some illogical people can think that whatever worked 3 years ago can also work now. Time moves on. Whatever opportunities you had in the past and didn't have the guts to implement then, can be harder and harder to implement as the problem gets deeper and more rooted into the team. This is blatantly obvious.

To give a BBZ like example, the ship was leaking under EV, hell, it was leaking since we got blown away by Juve and PSG in CL, 0-7 in 2 games away. We needed to fix that. But we didn't. We patched things up a bit, and kept afloat for a couple of years. But, eventually, every bad situation left unresolved, gets to the point where plugging the wholes does no longer cut it. That's the situation we find ourselves in.

 

[serghei]

To be more precise, I believe there's room for 1 more season EV style. Meaning some manager can come, re-motivate the veterans (not as much he, the manager, as the fact that some spike in motivation and ambition nearly always happens after disaster seasons), and maybe if Madrid implode next year in La Liga, like they did under EV both seasons, we can win another league.

After that, this approach is totally done.

 

[Raketa10]

So when this clown gets fired who will be next? Surely another mid table coach since this board can't hire anyone respectable...

 

[Marshall D Teach]

One positive is it seems he won't be sticking around for years like EV.

 

[Ascom]

So when this clown gets fired who will be next? Surely another mid table coach since this board can't hire anyone respectable...

Maybe be just after Villareal. Players are not with him and La Liga is lost, they will be sure to make hikm be fired next game, if you know what i mean.

The thing is, i have the feeling that, if Xavi is not coming we might get EV again.

 

[BBZ8800]

Because even Tata or Setien would have won those 2 Ligas.

Yes, people are pulling that answer from their ass:
Before EV: Lucho 2017: no La Liga
EV: 2018, 2019 = La Liga
After EV: No La Liga

Tata even got the same points haul as Valverde 18/19. The 81 points Setien is on course for (as was Valverde this season) would also have been enough to win both of Valverde's Ligas.

There really isn't much of a gap in ability between the three.

In 2014, Tata had 87 points.
BUT he played vs Atletico in the 38th round.
So, Barca played all 38 rounds with the BEST 11.
We weren't resting in any match.

On the other hand, EV won 87 points in 2019.

April: Villareal 4:4
Attack: Coutinho, Suarez, Malcom, lol.

Huesca:Barcelona 0:0
Boateng, Dembele, Malcom; Vidal, Alena, Puig, Wague, Todibo, Murillo, Umtiti, lol.

May:
Celta:Barcelona 2:0
Dembele, Malcom, Boateng; Alena, Puig, Arthur; Wague, Todibo, Vermaelen

Eibar 2:2
Messi, Roberto, Malcom attack

So, in the last few rounds of "EV's bad season on points", he played with a Bteam in 2 matches and with a weak squad in 2 matches, resting players for a CL and CDR final.
So, instead of 3 points won in those 4 matches, we would probably win 8-9 or 12 points in normal era (4 wins, 3 wins or 2 wins and 2 draws at least).
That means that EV would have won between 5 and 9 more points than he won.
Now, if EV won "only" 87 points this way, his realistic number should have been 92 or even 96.
The same as in his first season when he fielded a weak team and lost 5:4 in the last round.
So, basically, BOTH EV's seasons are actually 92-95 points seasons..

Points won:
2014: 87
2015: 94
2016: 91 (lol, even though a part of this season is regarded as one of the best in our history)
2017: 93 (+5:4 defeat)
2018: 87 (+4 matches with reserves)
2019: 80-85 points

Now, when you look at post-Pep's era, EV's 2 seasons in terms of La Liga points are actually on par with Lucho's first 2 seasons.
And I will repeat one more time: in which universe can you put Tata and Setien in the same sentence as EV, lol?

EV is probably the most underrated and the most hated person in Barca's history.
Even though he overachieved with this team of washed out players and clowns, led by a horrible board and clown sporting directors.

We should really say: Thanks, EV; good job man.