Quique Setien

[JamDav1982]

Yea, that was mostly luck and individual player quality.

But you try to make out that when Barca lost 4-0 which was for most part down to player errors it was on EV.

The two legs were fairly even overall and moments good and bad from players made the difference more than anything else.

On balance of play Barca did not deserve to be one Dembele fuck up from a 4-0 win nor were Liverpool on balance of play worth 4-0 at home.

 

[khaled_a_d]

That implies that the 3-0 result was down to Valverde though (defensive/workhorse setup lol) when actually we were unbelievably lucky to win 3-0. Play that same game at home under Valverde multiple times and the chances we win 3-0 or better are tiny. Without a doubt most of the results would be less favourable.

So, you think we were still going to win 3-0 with Setien?

 

[DonAK]

Barcelona - Static, old team that doesn't have the legs to do it over two legs

Liverpool - Energetic, younger team that can run over you

I'm not confident Setien would have made any difference. I'd love for us to have a manager that have a progressive vision for this team, that isn't afraid of the locker room and command enough respect to lead it, and can stand up for his vision against an incompetent management or board if he has to.

As long as Barca is this static, slow team neither Setien or Valverde can help us. With the current CL format with one-legged ties we actually stand a better chance IMO, but still need some luck our way.

 

[serghei]

Barcelona - Static, old team that doesn't have the legs to do it over two legs

Liverpool - Energetic, younger team that can run over you

I'm not confident Setien would have made any difference. I'd love for us to have a manager that have a progressive vision for this team, that isn't afraid of the locker room and command enough respect to lead it, and can stand up for his vision against an incompetent management or board if he has to.

As long as Barca is this static, slow team neither Setien or Valverde can help us. With the current CL format with one-legged ties we actually stand a better chance IMO, but still need some luck our way.

Hard one to guess. So far, there's not a lot between Setien and Valverde (and it's normall, Setien is here for a short time overall), but it has to be said that Setien is a better possession manager, and I think there's a good chance we would've managed to hold on the ball better on Anfield.

 

[DonAK]

^ This is why I believe Xavi can be a good manager. People care way too much about his previous comments.

He also doesn't need to manage a mid-table La Liga club or be an assistant for Pep. Would it help him? Maybe. But as with pretty much everything in football, a manager's career progression isn't linear.

Hard one to guess. So far, there's not a lot between Setien and Valverde, but it has to be said that Setien is a better possession manager, and I think there's a good chance we would've hold the ball well on Anfield than we did with Valverde.

We would also be prone to more mistakes and conceding more chances. So it goes both ways

At the end of the day, neither are good enough to lead a top 10 European team.

 

[JamDav1982]

Barcelona - Static, old team that doesn't have the legs to do it over two legs

Liverpool - Energetic, younger team that can run over you

I'm not confident Setien would have made any difference. I'd love for us to have a manager that have a progressive vision for this team, that isn't afraid of the locker room and command enough respect to lead it, and can stand up for his vision against an incompetent management or board if he has to.

As long as Barca is this static, slow team neither Setien or Valverde can help us. With the current CL format with one-legged ties we actually stand a better chance IMO, but still need some luck our way.

There is not a top manager out there that would take on the Barca job right now with aim of getting rid of old core.

The players are too powerful and that would be the same no matter who was running the club.

 

[Vilarrubi]

So, you think we were still going to win 3-0 with Setien?

To be honest I haven’t seen enough of Setien’s Barca to make a judgement on that yet.

My point still stands about the game under Valverde though.

 

[serghei]

^ This is why I believe Xavi can be a good manager. People care way too much about his previous comments.

He also doesn't need to manage a mid-table La Liga club or be an assistant for Pep. Would it help him? Maybe. But as with pretty much everything in football, a manager's career progression isn't linear.



We would also be prone to more mistakes and conceding more chances. So it goes both ways

Of course he can be a great manager. Xavi knows everything about possession football. As far as tactics and style of play, he'd be a huge hit. If he fails, it will be because of other areas, not because he doesn't know his tactics.

Guardiola and Xavi are the only managers in the game who know pretty much everything about the positional game. And we play exactly that brand of football for decades.

I think the are more positive signs regarding Xavi than the other way around. It shows maturity on his part that he declined to come now.

 

[soul24rage]

I feel that Setien knows how to build up play better vs high press (biggest problem for me imo when we played vs Roma and Liverpool) than Valverde did.

 

[DonAK]

There is not a top manager out there that would take on the Barca job right now with aim of getting rid of old core.

The players are too powerful and that would be the same no matter who was running the club.

I'll predict that Suarez, Busquets and Pique won't be at Barca for the 2021/2022 season. Alba would be on a short leash too.

That's the right time for a new manager to come in.

 

[serghei]

I feel that Setien knows how to build up play better vs high press (biggest problem for me imo when we played vs Roma and Liverpool) than Valverde did.

Because even if the movement is still not good enough, it is improved compared with EV days. With EV days we really stood still while players struggled to pass around pressing situations. With Setien, there's something being done about this, but it doesn't last because we can't keep the rhythm for long.

Hence why we look like old fluid Barca with combinations and good movements in short spells. It is in the end a problem of physicality, fitness and age.

 

[JamDav1982]

I'll predict that Suarez, Busquets and Pique won't be at Barca for the 2021/2022 season. Alba would be on a short leash too.

That's the right time for a new manager to come in.

If those players are not at Barca it will be their own decisions to leave most likely.

No one will run for Presidency with the stated aim of rebuilding the team. They will run trying to get those players onside for campaign.

 

[DonAK]

If those players are not at Barca it will be their own decisions to leave most likely.

No one will run for Presidency with the stated aim of rebuilding the team. They will run trying to get those players onside for campaign.

The players don't comment on their preference for any candidate. You're right that no one will run with a stated aim of rebuilding the team, but once a candidate wins he's in a position to make some significant changes.

The smart man will make the necessary moves.

 

[serghei]

The players don't comment on their preference for any candidate. You're right that no one will run with a stated aim of rebuilding the team, but once a candidate wins he's in a position to make some significant changes.

The smart man will make the necessary moves.

Also, we've been in the peculiar position of still winning big titles with all the problems we have. Once titles dry up, changes will come swiftly. "Unfortunately", winning La Liga is a legitimate reason for keeping the status quo. Even with the situation in CL.

 

[JamDav1982]

The players don't comment on their preference for any candidate. You're right that no one will run with a stated aim of rebuilding the team, but once a candidate wins he's in a position to make some significant changes.

The smart man will make the necessary moves.

The players would be quick enough to use their power to get it known they dont agree if candidate was campaigning on getting rid. Even without direct quotes. Easily done.

If likes of Pique, Busi, Alba and Suarez are there for 2021 season I cant see anyone suddenly flipping on what said would do in campaign and rebuilding.

For their own future/legacy it is smarter to keep Messi onside at that point even if not best thing for team.