Crazy thing is the Madrid fans didn’t want Zidane back as I recall
Quique Setien
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Crazy thing is the Madrid fans didn’t want Zidane back as I recall
serghei
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Not only the big name managers are capable of strong and radical decisions.
Richard.H
Senior Member
I was fully expecting this thread to blow up after I just finished watching the match.
Where to even start? We clearly don’t have the personnel to play the Setien way. 2.5 seasons of EV bastardizing this team with counter attacking/focus on defense football and no focus on fitness can be blamed.
You can’t expect setien to fix all the issues and expect him to change things immediately. If he stays, he will need a massive squad overhaul if he wants to play tiki taka. It’s going to be a very difficult season if he continues to play tiki taka
Where to even start? We clearly don’t have the personnel to play the Setien way. 2.5 seasons of EV bastardizing this team with counter attacking/focus on defense football and no focus on fitness can be blamed.
You can’t expect setien to fix all the issues and expect him to change things immediately. If he stays, he will need a massive squad overhaul if he wants to play tiki taka. It’s going to be a very difficult season if he continues to play tiki taka
serghei
Senior Member
It's a difficult season anyhow. Even without tiki taka, the team is a mess defensively and was so under EV as well. Season was pretty much done because Bartomeu didn't sack him post Liverpool.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
I was talking about the players he bought and signed in the last 5 years or so, not trophies they won.
messi2140
6racies Xavi
Unfortunately it's starting to look like that.
I guess you can add retired players that achieved great things in their footballing careers , but those are also bigger risks. I just want for once that Barca hires an established WC manager , no Barca DNA bullshit or any of that shit.
Devils
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The time to get rid of Pique, Alba, Busi, Rakitic was after Lucho's final season.
Valverde totally failed to transition the team over the last 2.5 years.
The man who "Doesn't put importance on physical preparation" and let these players run riot whenever they felt like has left the team in ruin. I mean just look at how Pique goes on his business ventures or how Rakitic partied on social media the day after Liverpool.
What did Vavlerde do? Rewarded these players their starting positions every match.
Valverde was probably the worst thing to happen to this club over the past two decades. This will become even more apparent over the next few years or so when you see just how much money we spent while he was manager (the nmost Barcelona have ever spent under any manager) and just how badly he failed to build a team with the resources he was given.
Valverde totally failed to transition the team over the last 2.5 years.
The man who "Doesn't put importance on physical preparation" and let these players run riot whenever they felt like has left the team in ruin. I mean just look at how Pique goes on his business ventures or how Rakitic partied on social media the day after Liverpool.
What did Vavlerde do? Rewarded these players their starting positions every match.
Valverde was probably the worst thing to happen to this club over the past two decades. This will become even more apparent over the next few years or so when you see just how much money we spent while he was manager (the nmost Barcelona have ever spent under any manager) and just how badly he failed to build a team with the resources he was given.
messi2140
6racies Xavi
I said it in the chat today. I honestly don't give a shit about this Barca tiki-taka DNA. My main priority is entertaining football ( and with a club of Barca stature If you play good attacking football trophies will be the result) . Whether it be tiki-taka or the way we played under Lucho in 2015. As long as it's entertaining Im down for it.
George_Costanza
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Valverde now
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Lol.
As if where we will be in 2 years wouldn't be heavy influenced by the 'legacy' EV left behind. You realize that what EV did in his time doesn't magically erase and everyone in the team is 2.5 years younger under Setien right?
And you call me delusional.
I am not interested in going back to EV discussion but one thing need to be pointed out:
Managers are employees, and just like any employee they are asked to do a certain task.
I highly doubt EV was asked to rebuild or make team younger, if anything it was clear that winning was top priority. He was a coach that supported youth in other clubs he coached without problem but it was clear it wasn't a priority here.
I don't think it is really on him, and I doubt Setien will change that, Because even right now there is no managers who was instructed to rebuild. Board is still trophy and super stars oriented.
Setien could have been a decent hire if we are blowing thing up, but he will be asked to win and win now. Next season is decisive for board with election coming, don't expect the board won't sacrifice anyone who won't camouflage the next season. Be it Abidal/Setien or both.
Barto 6 years tenure had Zubi, Braida (among 3 others) Roberto,Segura, Abidal. With Segura role not even being known up till now. Those had to work with 3 different managers (4 if you count Tata).
It is unrealistic to think we can do both at same time especially with bad scouting, when you don't even consider Mpabbe and go all in for Dembele it speaks a lot on the state of the team. A manager will need some leeway early on for that, considering Bartou fired SD for fun, was almost firing Lucho in his 1st season I doubt EV was given that leeway and Setien won't either.
I don't think we are here because of EV, EV did what his bosses asked him. They wanted trophies and he achieved that. Whether he was good or bad manager is another story but with no authority that is given by board (and no manager can take from them) on transfers, no planning by the board, not even knowing who is the leader of the sporting department you get this mess. A better coach might have camouflaged it better (or quit on them earlier) but we would have reached that point anyway
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Has to be at least 2 of these last seasons here: Busquets, Alba, Pique, Roberto, Rakitic. Unless Dembele does something amazing when he comes back we should cut our losses on him, coutinho should be sold. A squad revitalisation is a lot closer than we might think. With revenue at its highest and expected to increase combined with sales we should be in a good position.
Of course all depends on whether the board will accept these players have to go.
Of course all depends on whether the board will accept these players have to go.
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
We all loved the treble, but man did it screw us over in the long run
Got Barto re-elected.
Almost like selling your soul to the Devil.
True, just like those gaspart years made the way for Laporta, or how Rijkaard final year made a way for Pep. Life is crazy and unpredictable
serghei
Senior Member
A man comes at the doctor and complains he has pains in the liver area. The doctor's name is Valverde M.D. The patient had a small tumor, that if removed, could possibly cure him in several months to a year. But the doctor does nothing. He says to the patient that everything is fine, that he shouldn't worry, pains like that are perfectly normal for every person past a certain age. And the patient stays home for years, ignoring the pain, after all, the doctor said all is okay, and the doctor is supposed to know these things, right?
Then from year to year the patient is feeling worse and worse, until the tumor turns into stage 2 liver cancer. Then doctor Valverde is accused of malpractice, and the patient is transferred to another doctor ASAP.
In comes doctor Setien M.D., who starts chemotherapy straight away, and to tries to save the life of the patient, who now has 30% chances of survival, due to the cancer being discovered in stage 2, instead of early onset.
But... wait... the story is not over. Valverde M.D. shows up with a key witness in court to defend him in the malpractice case. The witness name is Professor BBZ M.D., specialist in medical surgery, with Alma Matter degree at Stat-ford University. According to BBZ M.D., the patient is feeling worse under Setien M.D., than he did when he was consulted by Valverde. So the only possibly conclusion is that Valverde M.D. was a fine doctor, and it's Setien who should be judged for malpractice instead.
Then from year to year the patient is feeling worse and worse, until the tumor turns into stage 2 liver cancer. Then doctor Valverde is accused of malpractice, and the patient is transferred to another doctor ASAP.
In comes doctor Setien M.D., who starts chemotherapy straight away, and to tries to save the life of the patient, who now has 30% chances of survival, due to the cancer being discovered in stage 2, instead of early onset.
But... wait... the story is not over. Valverde M.D. shows up with a key witness in court to defend him in the malpractice case. The witness name is Professor BBZ M.D., specialist in medical surgery, with Alma Matter degree at Stat-ford University. According to BBZ M.D., the patient is feeling worse under Setien M.D., than he did when he was consulted by Valverde. So the only possibly conclusion is that Valverde M.D. was a fine doctor, and it's Setien who should be judged for malpractice instead.
This season will be without trophies. I have accepted that and just hope we won’t get humiliated in the CL.
In the future - I have said it since he was signed - I can’t see it work with Setien and I hope we don’t extend his contract.
Get a young top coach, Ten Haag, Gallardo, Nagelsmann and a sporting department who works with the coach regarding transfers - much like Liverpool.
No Setien after this season please.
In the future - I have said it since he was signed - I can’t see it work with Setien and I hope we don’t extend his contract.
Get a young top coach, Ten Haag, Gallardo, Nagelsmann and a sporting department who works with the coach regarding transfers - much like Liverpool.
No Setien after this season please.
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