10 - Lionel Messi - V6

[Judoman]

I tend to agree, but as a matter of fact nobody should ever earn such privileges that turn a hierarchical system upside down.

Of course not. To be able to express wish or opinion is one thing.
To be the actual decision maker is something completely different. That s board s job.

Unfortunately board people often think and act as politicians, not as people who want the best possible results.

 

[snowy]

Of course not. To be able to express wish or opinion is one thing.
To be the actual decision maker is something completely different. That s board s job.

Unfortunately board people often think and act as politicians, not as people who want the best possible results.

yup and the exact same thing happens at every turn when Leo plays for the NT. He takes the rap for squad selection, rotation, tactics and results. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets blamed for their uniforms too

I say, let the playa do what he does best and play! Not his fault if the folks who're supposed to take charge are afraid to step in the ring and take some punches. eh oh Lace up Barto!

ONLY IN CAMP NOU!

 

[Potroh]

Unfortunately board people often think and act as politicians, not as people who want the best possible results.

Yes because they ARE politicians...

 

[Mitchell1978]

There's no doubt messi has more power than he should have and its ruining the club.

such stupidity...

 

[henias]

He's too laid-back for me, too passive and supportive of everything, claiming everything is fine while being engulfed in flames. And when shit hits the fan, he goes through the same cycles of being extremely sulky and then acting as if things would just become better magically. 2 consecutive bottlejobs is not enough to kindle some sort of reflection of what went wrong for the club? As a captain or leader, he doesn't need to be too extremely vocal but he needs to take more responsibility and be more assertive in club matters. What's worse is that he has all the power to get rid of people in the club or even simply raise questions about the people surrounding him. But as usual, he doesn't seem too bright about things outside of the sport alone, especially when it requires an entire team to be able to achieve something. He doesn't care about personal glory, and just want to play "his part" by carrying the team week in week out. But football goes beyond just one player, by just ignoring clear issues at hand, all his efforts are just gonna go down in vain.

This is reminiscent of the situation in Argentina, except with world class players, he is still being depended on, yet this doesn't surprise him in the slightest. Like I said, he needs to step out of his comfort zone. One of the greatest player ever to grace the pitch but his mindset is the biggest hindrance.

 

[Givenchy]

if Suarez wasnt his bff, you can bet Messi would be calling for his sale. at a club as big as Barca, players shouldn't be playing purely on name or being friends with Messi. the fact they want Neymars return whilst being totally against Griezmann speaks volumes

 

[abbbs97]

Its being reported that Messi reportedly met with Bartomeu and spoke on the continuity of Shitverde, him and his friends not wanting Griezmann and wanting Neyney instead.
Whether true or not, this shows how deep the troubles are within the club.

 

[FCBfan22]

Its being reported that Messi reportedly met with Bartomeu and spoke on the continuity of Shitverde, him and his friends not wanting Griezmann and wanting Neyney instead.
Whether true or not, this shows how deep the troubles are within the club.

I strongly believe this is Romero's diarrhea from yesterday being eaten by international press.

They put Messi in front of everything to get views.

 

[raskolnikov]

if Suarez wasnt his bff, you can bet Messi would be calling for his sale. at a club as big as Barca, players shouldn't be playing purely on name or being friends with Messi. the fact they want Neymars return whilst being totally against Griezmann speaks volumes

I dont know whatto believe anymore at this point since sport journalism is such a cesspool.
I do believe if a player is smart he befriends Messi to continue their stay past experation date.
It really sucks they all back valverde though. I really want to know why messi does it. And it has to be better than “I like playing with my friends and be comfortable”

 

[snowy]

He's too laid-back for me, too passive and supportive of everything, claiming everything is fine while being engulfed in flames. ... One of the greatest player ever to grace the pitch but his mindset is the biggest hindrance.

Of course, we'd have seen even more out of this world football had he been surrounded with ideal teammates but at the end of the day, who's in charge of managing the club? It's the president.

Even if Messi insisted on playing with his friends and coach, president is the one at the wheel here so he could say "sorry pal, I love you to death but you're just too nice a guy so gonna do what's best for you and the team."
That's where Barto failed big time over and over again.

As for Leo not being able to raise the spirits of the troupes. ok fair enough but who are the idiots who gave an extreme introvert the captaincy? Might as well play him out of position as a goalkeeper!

See what I mean... he gets blamed left n right for everything under the sky. and btw, if board ran the club and properly cut/recycled the ageing vets with fresh hardcore warriors, the new playas would've been so hungry for victory that they wouldn't need any1 to pinch them on the pitch.

Does Leo perform well as a player? if the answer is yes, then he's doing his job. And lucky us for having him

If Leo is an elite sniper, I'm not gonna ask him to leave his spot and become commander in chief at HQ.

If I'm gonna look to blame someone, I'm gonna blame the folks whose actual job is to manage the club/hire the coaches, scout for cheap under the radar talents and monetize the ageing vets b4 they become a burden and lose all value. Again, Barto et co fell asleep at the wheel.

Messi's job is to play ball and ... think it's fair to say he does it pretty prettaaayy,

preeeeettyyyy good

blaming him for the club's or NT weak management is missing the forest for the trees imo xD

 

[tacticvarium]

The problem is that Messi has become too huge no presidents or managers will never dare to attempt to get rid of him at this point.
He has now become even a bigger black sheep than Ronaldinho once was but he will stay as long as he wants.
I would say it is time for Messi and Barça to go their own way.
His poor mentality and lack of motivation does not help the team and I'm also tired of watching shitty Messidependencia football which is inevitable with the presence of Messi.

 

[snowy]

The problem is that Messi has become too huge no presidents or managers will never dare to attempt to get rid of him at this point.
He has now become even a bigger black sheep than Ronaldinho once was but he will stay as long as he wants. I would say it is time for Messi and Barça to go their own way.

Now is not the time to say sayoonara to Neo though. He just delivered top performance this season. But when the time comes, hopefully, there's a competent CEO out there with the smarts and integrity to do the right thing, and do it respectfully.

His poor mentality and lack of motivation does not help the team and I'm also tired of watching shitty Messidependencia football which is inevitable with the presence of Messi.

That's the thing though, it's a myth that Messidependencia is invevitable. It is if the folks in charge act like politicians (like Potroh and Judoman said). But if you put the right dudes in charge, then we could ultimate football magic. Defo worth the try... Otherwise, what's the point

 

[Givenchy]

The problem is that Messi has become too huge no presidents or managers will never dare to attempt to get rid of him at this point.
He has now become even a bigger black sheep than Ronaldinho once was but he will stay as long as he wants.
I would say it is time for Messi and Barça to go their own way.
His poor mentality and lack of motivation does not help the team and I'm also tired of watching shitty Messidependencia football which is inevitable with the presence of Messi.

been thinking this for a while also. i wouldn't ever 'get rid' of him but i think a new challenge for Leo is probably what he needs. as a fan, im sick of the lack of motivation, the poor work rate, looking totally disinterested BUT the magic he produces is worth it.. or it has been worth it, if that drys up then we have a real issue.

the only position he can play these days if we don't want the entire team to suffer is false 9. on the wing it makes no sense, he doesn't have the stamina, pace or workrate needed thus leaving whoever plays RB stranded.. seriously just look at some of the analysis on youtube, our right side is DEAD, Semedo got alot of blame for passing backwards but its down to us having nobody ahead of him.

its infuriating to watch at times when i see Messi dropping so deep hes stood next to Busi. our most dangerous playmaker and goal scorer is at the half way line instead of near the goal.

 

[ebc_99]

We all KNOW years from now Ronaldo will be hailed as an equal (if not better) to Messi, when he's nowhere near his talent just cos of Messi's laidback mentality.

Nobody seriously considers Ronaldo on Messi's level right now never mind in the future. Messi's laidback nature has allowed him to have the longest time at the top of any player in history, so maybe it is a strength, not a weakness.

 

[ebc_99]

been thinking this for a while also. i wouldn't ever 'get rid' of him but i think a new challenge for Leo is probably what he needs. as a fan, im sick of the lack of motivation, the poor work rate, looking totally disinterested BUT the magic he produces is worth it.. or it has been worth it, if that drys up then we have a real issue.

the only position he can play these days if we don't want the entire team to suffer is false 9. on the wing it makes no sense, he doesn't have the stamina, pace or workrate needed thus leaving whoever plays RB stranded.. seriously just look at some of the analysis on youtube, our right side is DEAD, Semedo got alot of blame for passing backwards but its down to us having nobody ahead of him.

its infuriating to watch at times when i see Messi dropping so deep hes stood next to Busi. our most dangerous playmaker and goal scorer is at the half way line instead of near the goal.

How can anyone possibly suggest Messi has a lack of motivation, the amount of shit you guys write here is unbelievable. The man is in his 30's and is head and shoulders the best in the world who has just had a season where he has scored or assisted 70 goals. But you clowns think he isn't motivated, lol.

Messi has to back the manager, every player does it in public, it's just the way it is done, and the way it has to be done. If Messi starts slagging off Valverde or deciding he has to leave then why would a top manager come here if Messi is in charge? If Messi starts deciding who the manager should be and which players should be signed then thats a massive problem. I can't think of any player at a top club who makes those decisions, none of the top guys had a say in who the coach is and nor should they.