21 - Frenkie de Jong

[Raketa10]

It’s now clear we tried to sign him. If he chooses to go to Paris it’s because he wanted to go there and not because we havent tried. Can’t believe anyone would rather play for PSG than Barca no to mention he won’t ever leave from there. So it seams that all that “I would love to play with Messi” shit was just a charade.

 

[cro-man]

How quickly money can change your mind These days we are just a nice city with a nice climate if you ask de jong and his surrounding. From the biggest barca fan to i like the city and the weather thereIt already began with his father telling we are option but it has to be seen if we can compete financially and how lovely the climate here is

I guess they realized how much money they can get. To say we didnt try or are too late is bullshit. I dont see any agreement or something. I think they are just waiting if there may come more bucks maybe from city who could compete with them? Wouldnt be surprised if the agents of the golden dutch diggers are working together to make more money and maybe to make a move of both happen to psg. Would fit to raiola.

 

[serghei]

He can be tidy with the ball and all that, but this kid is not the profile we need mentality wise. As I said, we should try to find us a younger Arthuro Vidal. We already have the controller in Arthur who is better than De Jong.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

He can be tidy with the ball and all that, but this kid is not the profile we need mentality wise. As I said, we should try to find us a younger Arthuro Vidal. We already have the controller in Arthur who is better than De Jong.

True. Young Vidal sounds awesome.

 

[George_Costanza]

Why some here insist on turning this into a political debate that has nothing to do with football? Once they don't have anything else to add to the argument, they now cannot back down and must protect their ego - leading to deeper and deeper self-justifications and angry respites, making it almost impossible for them to concede to any point you make. Plus, calling someone with names indicates incapability of backing up their opinion as it's absolutely out of the subject debated.

There is a politics-related thread you can take your nonsense there.

 

[EdmondDantes]

I'm still not over this diva demanding a starting role at Barcelona. Not even Neymar was this arrogant at 21, and de Jong's talent is nowhere near Neymar's tier.

Dembele spent a season and a half on the bench but this unproven player expects us to roll out a red carpet for him?

He'll sign for PSG and be immediately en route to obscurity like Verratti (who was better than him at his age as well).


If he can't see that we want to sign him to eventually replace Busquets - if he proves not to be another Eredivisie flop like Memphis Depay, Klaassen and Jansen - and that would take at least 1 bedding in season, then he doesn't belong here.

 

[George_Costanza]

I'm still not over this diva demanding a starting role at Barcelona. Not even Neymar was this arrogant at 21, and de Jong's talent is nowhere near Neymar's tier.


He'll sign for PSG and be immediately en route to obscurity like Verratti (who was better than him at his age as well).


If he can't see that we want to sign him to eventually replace Busquets - if he proves not to be another Eredivisie flop like Memphis Depay, Klaassen and Jansen - and that would take at least 1 bedding in season, then he doesn't belong here.

We don't know what exactly why he has a reservation to join us. Maybe he already gave his promise to join PSG and can't say no, some still have principles. Or maybe because we are going for Rabiot, plus we have Raktic, Vidal, Arthur etc. so many competing for the same spot. Or maybe he is concerned about Valverde's treatment for some of the youngsters...etc.

The point is if we made him an equal offer and he still refused, it has nothing to do with money and could be another reason or reasons.

 

[Gaudi]

First, you can search the forum, I was never sold on him, still loooong way to go.
Second, if he wants first 11 guaranteed there is a no brainer decision here - no thanks!
Third, In my humble opinion, in the near future UEFA will have to deal with this artificial clubs...for now everything is good, FFP is on paper but it doesn't bother anyone significant, money keeps coming to them as well….but If major clubs start reacting then something will happen. All those historically big clubs will be affected and will rise a concern. Then, either they'll all become play toys of some rich dictators or true FFP will bi rised. I do remember when russians entered Premier league, it looked bad but nowhere near what the arabs are doing today.
In my opinion football will either deal with this with restrictions or completely change to what many fans call "modern football" and all clubs will find sugar daddys.

 

[EdmondDantes]

We don't know what exactly why he has a reservation to join us. Maybe he already gave his promise to join PSG and can't say no, some still have principles. Or maybe because we are going for Rabiot, plus we have Raktic, Vidal, Arthur etc. so many competing for the same spot. Or maybe he is concerned about Valverde's treatment for some of the youngsters...etc.

The point is if we made him an equal offer and he still refused, it has nothing to do with money and could be another reason or reasons.

The reason is fear of competition. Here he wouldn't be surrounded by yes-men and coddled like he seemingly has been at Ajax.


We won't sign Rabiot if we get de Jong, so I don't think that's an issue with his entourage.

 

[serghei]

First, you can search the forum, I was never sold on him, still loooong way to go.
Second, if he wants first 11 guaranteed there is a no brainer decision here - no thanks!
Third, In my humble opinion, in the near future UEFA will have to deal with this artificial clubs...for now everything is good, FFP is on paper but it doesn't bother anyone significant, money keeps coming to them as well….but If major clubs start reacting then something will happen. All those historically big clubs will be affected and will rise a concern. Then, either they'll all become play toys of some rich dictators or true FFP will bi rised. I do remember when russians entered Premier league, it looked bad but nowhere near what the arabs are doing today.
In my opinion football will either deal with this with restrictions or completely change to what many fans call "modern football" and all clubs will find sugar daddys.

Imo, whoever takes this long to choose between Barcelona and PSG doesn't have what it takes to play for us mentality wise. Maybe he's not confident enough to play in the best team of the best league, and he's afraid he won't make it. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense.

Compare this to Dembele and Coutinho who were pushing really really hard to come here, both clearly superior players to De Jong.

Anyway, I hope it's decided soon so we can pursue other targets if he doesn't come. It's not like the talent in midfield is all De Jong. Plenty of similarly talented guys out there.

 

[raskolnikov]

Imo, whoever takes this long to choose between Barcelona and PSG doesn't have what it takes to play for us mentality wise. Maybe he's not confident enough to play in the best team of the best league, and he's afraid he won't make it. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense.

Compare this to Dembele and Coutinho who were pushing really really hard to come here, both clearly superior players to De Jong.

Anyway, I hope it's decided soon so we can pursue other targets if he doesn't come. It's not like the talent in midfield is all De Jong. Plenty of similarly talented guys out there.

The problem is with us not De Jong. Barcelona rely to much in senior players who are undroppable. Psg has a much more future orientated alproach than our clueless board. We sign Malcom and possibly Rabiot to spite Roma and Psg while they sign De jong to have a great midfield for the next decade.
Its easy to see which club is run smarter and better to join from the players perspective.
From l

 

[serghei]

The problem is with us not De Jong. Barcelona rely to much in senior players who are undroppable. Psg has a much more future orientated alproach than our clueless board. We sign Malcom and possibly Rabiot to spite Roma and Psg while they sign De jong to have a great midfield for the next decade.
Its easy to see which club is run smarter and better to join from the players perspective.
From l

It's not as clear cut. The main issue is Barcelona is harder to break through at than the likes of PSG playing in a one team league. If Arthur can play and impress everyone, starting very important games, then De Jong shouldn't have that many concerns, unless he's doubting himself. If he's got the goods he'll play everywhere, including at Barcelona.

Thing with Valverde is that he doesn't give too many free chances, that's wrong of him, but many managers are like that. But if you play and impress, chances are you'll play again and become a mainstay in the team. But De Jong doesn't seem too sure about himself and his abilities. And yes, in that case, he could be afraid he'll end up like Malcom.

De Jong is one of those guys that instead of rising up to the challenge, they prefer to lower the bar. It's not wrong in the end, but you'd have hoped for more from him considering the hype around this player. If he would've been this generational talent, he wouldn't be worried about possibly competing with Rabiot. Or ending up like Malcom.

Think about it. PSG could play a first 11 filled with squad players until the end of the season and still win the title in april. De Jong will receive more leeway for poor performances at PSG than he'd ever get at Barcelona, because nobody is anywhere near PSG in France.

At Barcelona pressure would be on him from the start. At PSG he can slowly progress without any pressure almost.

 

[Devils]

Even The Telegraaf (Dutch paper who initially reported fDJ to PSG) reports that Barto and co met with Ajax and De Jong.

Im inclined to believe we tried but FDJ probably has better economical and sporting chances at PSG amd that made them the preference.

 

[Joan]

All the rants BBZ would write about Frenkie being a Barca fanboy if this turned out to be true. Ha, wouldn't mind.

 

[Newcomer]

The problem is with us not De Jong. Barcelona rely to much in senior players who are undroppable. Psg has a much more future orientated alproach than our clueless board. We sign Malcom and possibly Rabiot to spite Roma and Psg while they sign De jong to have a great midfield for the next decade.
Its easy to see which club is run smarter and better to join from the players perspective.
From l

I would definitely not say PSG is smarter in this instance.

It is rather a forced situation rather than a choice. Barcelona has had a great midfield three in Busquets - Xavi -Iniesta. The former two have been phased out.

PSG strongest midfield was Motta - Verratti -Matuidi. Since then, PSG have tried out players like Cabaye, Stambouli, Krychowiak to no avail. Only Rabiot made a breakthrough and he was given space by selling Matuidi to Juventus. Confronted to our inability to get a single good midfielder we had even renewed Motta for one more year while he was clearly past it and was half of the season out for injury.

Barcelone has countless of options and profiles in midfield. PSG has none, to the point a CB is playing there. Last game, Alves and Bernat ended up playing there. Imagine Barcelona with Semedo and Alba pairing at defensive midfield.

If anything, Barcelona has made much more wise choices than PSG. However, the players PSG has paid big have been good. Coutinho and Dembélé (not lately though) were not sure successes after their first year in Catalogne.