10 - Lionel Messi - v5

Xtroverto

Member
Think of a more realistic scenario. What if Messi got injured for an extended period of 2 to 3 months? This scenario would be very valid, or at least we would be in top 7 or 8 spot.

Messi being away injured has not affected the team's ability to win matches, he was injured for 2 months in 2015-16 and we still won 7 out of 9 and beat Real 4-0 at the Bernabéu with Messi playing the last 30 min when the game was already decided.
 

Stoichkov1

New member
Messi being away injured has not affected the team's ability to win matches, he was injured for 2 months in 2015-16 and we still won 7 out of 9 and beat Real 4-0 at the Bernabéu with Messi playing the last 30 min when the game was already decided.

Yeah when we had Neymar.
 

Messi983

Senior Member
Think of a more realistic scenario. What if Messi got injured for an extended period of 2 to 3 months? This scenario would be very valid, or at least we would be in top 7 or 8 spot.

I think the worst situation for us is when Mesi is rested starting on the bench and everyone is playing half-ass because they know even in case we'll go down he'll come on and we can still win or at least equaliize like it happened against Sevilla (when he was actually quite bad for his high standards but still decided in the end). On the other hand when Messi was not in match squad against Malaga we started strong from the first minute. I know it was against the worst team in the league this season but it was still a traditionally tough opponent for us in recent years.

But to answer your question I think the whole team would have to adapt to that situation (playing without Messi) which would take some time but I think we'd do good if his teammates would know he's not available to save their asses and everyone would take bigger responsibility. We would most likely struggle at first but after few weeks we'd find our way to win most games even without Messi. No player can individually replace him but I think Coutinho and Dembele would have to create more and Suarez score more with possibly someone from the second row (midfield) also delivering some goals, probably especially Paulinho. I believe even with Messi out for 2 or 3 months we'd still finish top 3/4 in the league.
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
Without Messi we are truly a relegation team. That is really a sad picture, sad reality.

We are going to be in for some really rude awakening soon.
 

Xtroverto

Member
And a younger and more competative midfield.

Younger yes but only because Busquets has no replacement. Back then we had Busquets, Rakitic and Iniesta and alternatives were Sergi Roberto and Rafinha. Arda and Aleix came in after Christmas. Now we have Busquets, Rakitic, Paulinho, Coutinho, Sergi Roberto and Denis Suarez (dunno if he will stay or leave). Way more competitive.
 

Xtroverto

Member
Without Messi we are truly a relegation team. That is really a sad picture, sad reality.

We are going to be in for some really rude awakening soon.

Last time FC Barcelona finished outside of top 6 was 1941 and I would be willing to bet my life savings that we will not finish outside of top 6 for the coming decades bar bankrupsy.
 

raki

New member
http://mundoalbiceleste.com/2018/04/30/lionel-messi-i-think-of-the-world-cup-final-every-day/


ionel MESSI gave an interview where he talked about a number of topics, once of which being the final of the 2014 FIFA World Cup.

A very lengthy interview by Argentina’s number 10, MESSI commented the 2014 FIFA World Cup, the 2018 FIFA World Cup, the Argentina National Team, his personal life and much more. Here’s what he had to say:

Lionel MESSI on the Argentina National Team and the 2018 FIFA World Cup:

“I still enjoy coming to Argentina, to be a part of the group. I have some rather good sensations about this team. We have always at every opportunity seen it as our last chance, moreso now.

“This is a chance for this generation to win, there will be changes after this World Cup, I believe. This is a wonderful opportunity. We didn’t have lots of time to prepare during WCQs due to how things worked out. So we have to take advantage of the time.

“It is now or never for us (to win the World Cup) there is no more. We have to see this as our final World Cup and look at it as such and take advantage of the opportunity. There are a lot of young players coming up. I hope they, too, end up having a wonderful generation. The kids coming up are doing some good things towards the future.”

“The only people we owe anything to is ourselves. We don’t owe anything to the people. We have given it our all, we got to three finals and things just didn’t work out. It wasn’t God’s will. We want it. To come so close is tough for us but we look to change it.”

Lionel MESSI on the 2014 FIFA World Cup final:

“I was checking out Instagram and drinking some mate and I saw one of the plays (of the 2014 final) and I said, ‘I didn’t remember that play we had’. I have seen very little of that match afterwards.

“That chance I missed in the (World Cup final) I still think about the way I hit that ball, the way I planted my foot, how poorly I hit it. I think that if I would have hit it differently like I did vs. Chelsea, it was a very similar play. I wanted it to at least be on target.

“There is always a moment every day where I remember (the World Cup final). I mean, imagine if we were World Cup champions? Everything would have change for all of us. We deserved it, but it didn’t work out. That’s what gets you most upset.

“That World Cup photo where I pass the cup is a hard one to look at. I mean we were that close to winning it, to lifting it. But I passed by it and it was a terrible feeling.”

“I don’t know what I would do if we won the World Cup. I still think of how close we were.”

Lionel MESSI on his fitness:

“When I lose I get angry. I feel impotence. I feel upset. I mean live differently ever since my Tiago was born, but that doesn’t mean that I am not affected and it doesn’t make me angry. That goes for all my teammates. ‘The reason we are on the national team is because we are cut out of the same cloth. They are all in big clubs and they are constantly fighting for titles. We are all competitive.”

“I feel great. I am playing differently at FC Barcelona. I prepare like I always do. The more I play, the better I feel. It is very difficult for me to play one match a week. The week gets very long and when gameday comes I feel sluggish.

“I feel in rhythm playing that way. I have always played every three days throughout my career and my body is accustomed to that. When I have to train 3 or 4 days at high intensity, my body doesn’t like that. I am used to being in shape playing matches. I know that there are certain rigors after a certain amount of matches and the chances to get injured increase, but I feel better when I play.

“I believe that the greater the fear you have (of getting injured) , the higher your risk of suffering an injury. You have to forget about everything and not call injuries upon yourself.”

Lionel MESSI on wanting to win the FIFA World Cup:

“I know God wants to give me a World Cup, but man he was awfully close the last time. I hope that he does this time so we can get this thorn out of our side. “I don’t know if football owes me a World Cup. It would close a chapter extraordinarily. If it is to be, it will happen. People have given me the sensation that they want me to win the World Cup and that Argentina become world champions.

“Everywhere I go around the world, people let me know that. we have the illusion, we are working hard and I hope we can get it. I don’t know what will happen in the future. I just am looking to win (the World Cup), everything after that when the time comes.”

Lionel MESSI on the tam and Jorge SAMPAOLI
(The following was set before the match vs. Spain):

“I am grateful that SAMPAOLI told me that this was my team. He told me personally. But I believe we have to be a very strong group. We need to find balance, understand (Sampaoli’s) idea and to gain confidence.

“Look, Argentina is always a contender based on what it represents and its history. But the reality is that based on the circumstances, our play and how we get to this stage we are not contenders to win. There are teams right now that are much better like Spain, Germany, Brazil also France. Right now I think they are above us. Those are the contenders.”
“We have a group of very good players, but we have to become stronger as a group. We, unfortunately, did not have the time to further establish our style because of the way our qualifying played out.

Lionel MESSI on retiring from the Argentina National Team:

“When I first left Argentina, I truly felt like I was not going to come back because of (coaches, admins, etc) the way things were. Because there were lots of things. It was our third final lost. But when I returned, I was embarrassed to have said it.

“I needed time to forget everything, the penalty (vs. Chile) and I really wanted to come back. I was embarrassed because I didn’t want people to think that I did it to throw my teammates under the bus. I felt that way. My biggest mistake was to maybe say it then. It was very awkward to see my teammates playing and I wasn’t there. I really wanted to be there again because I enjoyed being there with team. It was a complicated time but I always enjoyed the national team.”

Lionel MESSI on the “MESSI friends” rumors:

“I think that anyone that says “MESSI’s friends” is slapping the face of the players here. They are playing in some of the best clubs in the world. To say that is disrespectful. People have said horrible things about me, now I don’t care. But for people to say things about my teammates, it is quite disrespectful. Because if you look at many of my ‘friends’as they like to call them, many are amongst the best in the world in their positions.

“Based on that logic, Sergio AGUERO wouldn’t have been on the bench as much as he has been. And mind you, he’s my friend. Kun barely played. At times he didn’t play and he made a tremendous effort to be part of the team as did many others.”

“There have been several horrible things said about me. But there were some things said about Ezequiel LAVEZZI as well. They tried to attack many of us without caring about the consequences. We also have families that suffer because of what people say about us.”

Lionel MESSI on Gonzalo HIGUAIN and Paulo DYBALA:

“HIGUAIN is an important player for this team. It would have been unfair if he did not get a second chance like the rest of us. I spoke to DYBALA after his comments and I understand him. What he said is the truth. At Juventus he plays in the same position as I do. We look to move the same way, we look for the same spaces. When we played together he played more towards the left. He’s not accustomed.

“It is very difficult for both of us to play in that position because we both happen to cut inside. I rarely go down the left. I understood it and I never thought of it as a slight towards me. We spoke and there was nothing to clarify.”

Lionel MESSI on first arriving to Barcelona:

“The first time that I got there, they were giving us clothes. In Argentina, one would practice with green shorts, the other with yellow shorts. Each player at Barcelona had their own stall with their clothes. Each had a ball. The installations were great.

“We would always see the first team players play. We would follow them but I never imagined that I was going to be playing alongside them. It was great when I went there the first time. It was difficult at first, but I am still going.

“I remember i was very young and I entered the dressing room and they told me, ‘you have to change here’. The equipment manager brought me my clothes and I asked him, ‘Can I change outside?’ ‘No. You have to change in here.’

“I sat down in a corner and began changing. These were the kids from the youth team I am talking about. I had just gotten there and there were some personalities there. So I sat there in a corner changing. I even asked my brother and he told me, ‘you have to change in here’. My hands were shaking, but once I stepped onto the pitch, I was fine. I became friends with all the guys.

“I was training with the team for two weeks and on the final day, they had a match against older kids. A week later they called me and asked me to return. “I didn’t just have scrimmages. They did lots of drills with reduced space, with small sides. They observed me in the small sided matches because I wasn’t doing anything else. But you know things were going well.

“They call me and tell me that they were happy with what they saw and they wanted to talk to me and that they wanted to have me play at Barcelona. That night (my family) all went out to the port and celebrated.”

Lionel MESSI on his personal life:

“I would like to have a little girl. But I just had my third boy, so we have to wait a little bit to see if it happens or not. As a father, i am a reflection of how I was treated as a kid. I also learned in the process. With Tiago, I learned. I began to mature and saw how I had to handle things. Now with three kids, it’s a bit different.

“Right now Tiago is all about playing football and Playstation. He drives me nuts. He wants me to play all the time. I try my best, when there is time, we do it. Of course, I have to set boundaries, just like my wife does and we try to raise him as best we can.

“At home, I can’t be ‘MESSI’. I get home and have to help out now that we have three kids. I like it. I love being at home with them. I love spending time with them, taking them to school, pick them up. Just spend as much time I can with them. Being with my kids is the most beautiful thing. So, I do with with a great deal of pleasure.

“When I drop off the kids at school, the parents know me. I have a relationship with many of them. This is the third year Tiago goes to that school so we know everyone there. I ‘m just another parent there.

“I have several WhatsApp groups… with my family, my friends, just like anybody else. When you eat at Sergio AGUERO’s, you have to pick up after yourself. you take your plate and utensils place them in a place that makes things easier for the people that work there. It doesn’t matter to me, I pick up after myself at home as well.”
 

ThwiX

Best midfielder around
Guy got too much faith in God and is stubborn as hell about being rested. That's what I got out of that. Weird in a way, because I thought he said in an interview earlier in the season that he is finally starting to realize that he needs more rest at his age.
 

Xtroverto

Member
Guy got too much faith in God and is stubborn as hell about being rested. That's what I got out of that. Weird in a way, because I thought he said in an interview earlier in the season that he is finally starting to realize that he needs more rest at his age.

I honestly think the whole idea of resting into shape is oversold, at the end of the day Messi will not run more just because he has skipped a game or two, it is his style and it works for him. What can help is mental rest but that depend more on the players being able to isolate themself from the absolute zoo that surround them, and we all saw how good they are att that back when Alves harped on the Madrid media, they just can't let it go. Jordi Alba ranted on the rumors about Valverde, clearly showing that the players are not isolated from the media circus.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
Yes, but replace Messi with Hazard, Neymar or anyone else and we're not winning La Liga.

Not sure about the later, a healthy Neymar while far inferior still make us having a goal scorer and creator to build our offense around, same goes for Griezmann. This year Suarez declined badly for half of the season at least, we lost Neymar too. After 3 years on counting on 3 goal scorers we basically found ourselves with one. Normal to feel a lot of dependence on him.
We won the league with stronger defense (MATS count as part of defensive unit) and balanced game while maximizing our goal scorer. Messi is vital for last factor but not for the 1st two.


Great interview, hope he will be in best shape for the world cup.
Hoped he is less stubborn about playing twice a week too
 
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ebieymjunior

Senior Member
What if Messi played at AM to get the following?

[formation=barca,6]
Mats
0-0-0-0-0-0-0
0-0-Pique-0-Umtiti-0-0
Semedo-0-0-0-0-0-Alba
0-0-0-Busquets-0-0-0
0-Rakitic-0-0-0-0-0
0-0-0-0-Messi-0-0
0-Dembele-0-Suarez-0-Coutinho-0
[/formation]
(couldn't get Messi closer to Rakitic)
 

SG-7

New member
14.15.JPG

Hey guys slightly off topic...anyone know where i can grab one of these jersey's from? Its the 14/15 season jersey. Seems to be sold out in most online stores. I'm from Australia btw so will have to be international shipping.

Gràcies.
 

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