João Laporta

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Maybe. But he should go if the intent was indeed corruption and that happened under his administration.

It is damaging the image of the club and he was directly responsible for that if the allegations are indeed true. Not only that but mes que un club isn't said for no reason. We are a high class sporting institution and it is shameful if actually tried to bribe CTA officials.

If that happens and it is proven he will be gone, and so will many others.

They might have actually tried influencing the referees and outcomes of games, but that doesn't matter as long as it cannot get proven.
In my professional view (Not this specific area but law is my day job) I think Laporta is just trying to buy time and muddy the waters to minimise a potential punishment/delay it.

Despite what is said or argued about in public, the prosecutors have been pursuing this case for a while and probably all significant evidence in the case has already been collated behind the scenes. Keeping that in mind, accusing a club as big of Barcelona of corruption and bribing officials is a big risk and a costly case to pursue because it will be fought tooth and nail in court.

The justice system doesn't make a step like that without having very concrete evidence of wrongdoing. The lack of real explanation by Laporta and pivoting to Tebas/Ceferin/Madrid just makes me feel that he is trying to make it blow over instead of trying to clear the club's name, maybe because he can't.

I don't believe that's the case.

Laporta is a lot of things, but I don't believe he's an idiot. Buying time here makes no sense. What would he buying time for? This is not something that will blow over. It's Spain, and Barca is definitely not the most favoured club in social and political circles in Spain.

You're right about the justice system not taking a big step unless they believe they have concrete evidence that would lead to a positive outcome in a trial, but we're not there yet, and even if we get there that doesn't mean it won't lead to Barcelona not winning the case as they've done a couple of times in separate cases such as the recent Neymar DIS case or the other tax fraud case.

We're still in the initial phase where the presiding judge might decide to throw out the case. Might also end up only being a case of unfair administration or a tax related offence.
 

Messigician

Senior Member
What do you want him to do? Like honestly?

If their external investigation suggested some wrongdoing while they don't believe the prosecution have any evidence of proving it why the hell would he implicate himself and the club?

Intent doesn't mean squat if the club really got all the documents he showed they have proving they paid for refereeing analysis. You cannot prove intent if you don't have anything else to back up that claim.

Like make it make sense?

Joan Laporta's job is not to explain to his socis why the club did this or that and go on suggesting or explaining they did something wrong. His job is to weather the storm and ensure everyone that Barcelona did nothing wrong.

Yeah we are all convinced dw
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
What do you want him to do? Like honestly?

If their external investigation suggested some wrongdoing while they don't believe the prosecution have any evidence of proving it why the hell would he implicate himself and the club?

Intent doesn't mean squat if the club really got all the documents he showed they have proving they paid for refereeing analysis. You cannot prove intent if you don't have anything else to back up that claim.

Like make it make sense?

Joan Laporta's job is not to explain to his socis why the club did this or that and go on suggesting or explaining they did something wrong. His job is to weather the storm and ensure everyone that Barcelona did nothing wrong.

I want him to be truthful and tell us what the external investigation found out. If they found something that would implicate the club, at the very least he needs to let the socis know, as the president of the club. Why shouldn’t he explain to the socis? He owes the socis, more than anybody else explanations.

So you think hiding something that would have later implicated and possibly convict the club from the socis, and bring a total shock to them later is fine?

Intent can be somewhat established if Negreira testifies under oath that we paid him to influence results of the games, if no written contracts are found.
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
Pre-2014 was already answered, the club delete/shred those reports after 5 years of their making, which isn't all that strange tbh. No need to archive everything in such institution tbh.

Also the 2014-2018 are the period we are attacked the most. The claims were that Barca raised the amount they pay, with no return and just verbal promises.

The 600 document is actually pretty big in the whole case, it shows what we paid our money for.

Really? If that was the case, then any reports produced before 2018 would have been shredded, right, since they have been more 5 years old? Why keep reports made between 2014 - 2018 but nothing before 2014?
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
The club seem 100% confident nothing will come out of this in court so why would you want him to even suggest they did something wrong and give them ammo to use against us?

No, nobody is asking him to tell us that we did something wrong if we didn’t. I am asking him to share the full investigative report or all their findings.
 

iniestaGOAT

Senior Member
Real Madrid are NOT done with the video they published yesterday, they have more defensive arguments that will come out to the public. Real Madrid does NOT plan to stay quiet or tolerate any gestures, statements that doubt the history or present of the club.
@marca
 

Porque

Senior Member
AFAIK the club stance has been always that the money was paid to the company, not to either of them. How the money get to either of them is non of our business, we dealt with the son and essentially paid his company

Is Jr part of the same company of Snr that we paid?
 

ajnotkeith

Senior Member
The biggest likelihood is that we paid him as a man on the inside and to lobby for our interests in the CTA (e.g making sure there isn't any more Madrid based members like Negreira said to the Tax Agency).

Outright match fixing or corruption with a network of refs? Probably not. More indirect than that most likely and more about using his influence.
 

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