Club World Cup

[Maradona37]

Some good discussion in here, enjoyed reading it. Nice one.

 

[soul24rage]

1. Faulty argument no1000.
It happens that we watch week in week out Mbape, Vini, etc. against top teams, we can have an all-rounded opinion based on huge sample. Which we don't have with Messi.

2. off-topic, off-argument. You can't 'counter' my definition, because it's not mine.
It's the official definition by stat companies. Accept it, and then you have to answer yourself why Busi is not there.
The burden of proof lies with you.

3. General consensus and Sofascore ratings are by definition subjective. You used Sofsacore as stats, which are an objective metric. They are not stats.

4. When was Cristiano better at final balls compared to Xavi Iniesta Modric? Actually he was never...

5. Xavi's Barca 22/23, which was a totally limited team as I have explained in countless posts, was way more functional than the last Barca iterations with Messi in them.
No need to talk about Hansi's team, which would have been destroyed with Mess in it

AGAIN: there is a reason no club team with Messi in it was EVEN competitive (let alone challenging) in Europe past 2019

6. You didn't provide any meaningful stats. Sofascore ratings are not stats, and general consensus says nothing, as well as Ibra's PR statements.

7. LMAOL Appeal to emotion when being cornered
Only two teams had proposed to Messi in 2023: Al Hilal and Inter Miami.
No accident that both were from retirement leagues...

And no: Messi didn't prioritize 'family' in Miami. That's another whitewashing narrative by his fanboys.
He prioritized retiring in no-name league, with huge money, where he could recreate Amigos FC, which he indeed did with Busi Alba Suarez, etc. following

Bottom-line:
You refuse to properly answer the point I made since post no1. You asked me to be specific about what Messi has declined in. I replied properly with a specific skill: dribbling runs via many opponents.
I provided video evidence, as there is no stat currently capturing this.
Yet, after 5 posts, you haven't answered. You try to distort my point in every possible way to save yourself.
Sorry, I am not moving past point no1, and I will deflect all your attempts to diffuse the debate into other matters

PS: It happens that you are not the one decidings the Ls and the Ws.
So far, you have taken the L, because you haven't countered my point no1.

1. This is what everyone has been saying to you all the time. It's not fair to make a conclusion based on 1 game only, especially when the 1 player is playing in a MLS side lol. The fact is Messi had a better game with a MLS side than Mbappe, Vini and Bellingham with Real Madrid against the same opponent.

2. Can you show me evidence of that definition?

3 and 6. The only thing you showed is your personal subjective eye tests. I'd rather take more "subjective" criteria like general consensus and Sofascore any time over 1 single person's take

4. Based on his assist tally, CR7 is by your definition

5 and 7. Idk what you posted about Xavi's team 22/23 so can't really comment on it. But the fact is that Xavi wanted Messi on his team. PSG at the time also wanted to extend his contract. Newcastle and Inzaghi's Inter Milan also wanted him at the time. You can do more research on it.

On the dribbling runs via many opponents. And I repeat again and again and again and again, he was injured throughout the tournament (to which you ignore time and time and time again, which is why we are having this discussion over and over and over again) and even then, I even provided non-Sofascore stat of his dribbling + even you take out his dribbling, he brings so much more to the table.

No, there is no bottom line because your arguments are faulty with have holes with nitpicky elements and you ignore a lot of my points which is why we are going in circles. You can do much better and I'm honestly disappointed in you.

 

[Iniesta Ultra]

Marescaball was all over the place last season and Palmer was suffering for it.

Chelsea heritage, Pedro and complacent PSG won them the cup.