8 - Pedri
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How often? We done it with plenty of players lately. Mingueza (50%), Miranda (40%), Marmol (50%) and of course Puig. The future of Barca.
snowy
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why is Pedri so underrated over here
we look totally chaotic when he's not playing
no ma boo you're thinking Kiki Wig
they do look alike but kiki got a birthmark if you look closely
we look totally chaotic when he's not playing
no ma boo you're thinking Kiki Wig
they do look alike but kiki got a birthmark if you look closely
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Iniesta Ultra
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Pedri: "All the coaches told me that I have to improve in terms of goals and I know that, but I can also improve in many things... In making the right decisions, in getting more into the opponent's box, in working more for the team."
I wonder what kind of training he has practiced all these time.
I wonder what kind of training he has practiced all these time.
Elite amigo level mentality. Knows what he has to improve more than the coaches. Rondos>Shooting4life
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Textbook example of a new generation of midfielders who grew up watching Xavi (the same as Arthur) and who wrongly started to neglect attacking and defending and went full retard with possession and passing.
It is very hard to change player's natural DNA and instincts.
** not that Xavi as a player was neglecting other areas.
But kids watching him paid attention ONLY to his passing and keeping the ball and thought = this is what makes Xavi
Fair. But time is on his side. He acknowledges his weaknesses. That is a good thing though so far he hasn't improved much. Imo, Pedri must reshape his game before too late. Still, at least you can wait for 2 seasons to see whether or not he will improve (shooting, attacking space, movement).
One thing i don't understand is that he is a great dribbler but rarely dribble. Not using enough of his best qualities.
You wish
BBZ8800
Senior Member
History wise, how many recent Barca's young players have changed or improved their game a lot in late years?
1. Arthur = remained as equally as flawed
2. Dumbele = dumb as always
3. Frenkie, Samper, Alena, Puig, Oriol, Denis, Andre Gomes, Halilovic, Malcom, Paco, Semedo, Dest, Wague
= more or less the same players as on the first day when they played for us, isn't it?
Someone will surely find an example or two of players who have changed their game and improved a lot, but in general, for 80-90%: what you see now = that is what you get eternally.
Ajnotkeith wrote a few days ago: it is not as if Pedri played 16 matches in his career or something. He IS young but he has already played 150 senior matches. 20 for NT team + 20 CL/Europa League matches.
So, it is not only abut the age but about player's actual experience.
Also, check the pattern among fans for every young player:
1. wow effect when a player plays good in his first matches
2. every good trait is magnified and overblown because he is young (and homegrown)
3. regarding player's flaws, you always get the same reply: leave the kid alone, he is 18, 20 or 22 ffs.
Regarding fixing those flaws, replies are always: he is young, time is on his side, he will improve.
4. when he doesn't improve his flaws in the next 2-3 years, fans turn excuses to:
- it's Valverde, Koeman, Xavi. He is clueless, no one has improved under him. Under the right coach and the system, he would look way better.
- or: fans turn to his teammates, like: Arthur can't make forward passes because no one is running into an open space. Dembele can't do anything because he is too fast for his teammates. Pedri can't do too much because Busi and Gavi are a bad midfield fit for him.
5. finally, after a few coaches and 3-4 years gone by with a player not improving, fans finally start to give up and move to a new kid.
And, as always, they repeat this process from the point 1, starting with: wow, so much talent, such a good displays aged only 18. We might have a new gem in the making here
Of course, a player or two will make it here and there.
But close to 90% of kids will fail.
And close to 90% will never improve their current flaws.
I know that our team sucks and fans are desperate for new gems and saviors, but that won't happen.
Let's be realistic: RM is buying the best young midfield talents from all over the world, like Brazil, France, Uruguay.
While we rely mostly on Catalan kids and some Spanish players.
Now: who has the bigger pool of gems to choose from?
And who is more likely to hit the jackpot with young players, RM or Barca?
RM, of course.
But we are stuck in the past with once-in-a-lifetime-Xavi-Iniesta era and the club thinks that we can replicate it and hit the jackpot with homegrown kids again.
Or: no one can understand our system as local kids.
Add political identity (Catalonia is not Spain) into mix also.
And this is what you get in the end. RM buying tons of new gem kids, while we are trying to create a new midfield duo from:
1. a hide and seek master who is tired all time and barely shoots
2. and from the other kid who is good only at kicking players
And then fans fall into an eternal loop of excuses and false hope: but he is young, but a bad coach, but horrible teammates, but a bad system, he would shine under Pep etc.
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History wise, how many recent Barca's young players have changed or improved their game a lot in late years?
1. Arthur = remained as equally as flawed
2. Dumbele = dumb as always
3. Frenkie, Samper, Alena, Puig, Oriol, Denis, Andre Gomes, Halilovic, Malcom, Paco, Semedo, Dest, Wague
= more or less the same players as on the first day when they played for us, isn't it?
Someone will surely find an example or two of players who have changed their game and improved a lot, but in general, for 80-90%: what you see now = that is what you get eternally.
Ajnotkeith wrote a few days ago: it is not as if Pedri played 16 matches in his career or something. He IS young but he has already played 150 senior matches. 20 for NT team + 20 CL/Europa League matches.
So, it is not only abut the age but about player's actual experience.
Also, check the pattern among fans for every young player:
1. wow effect when a player plays good in his first matches
2. every good trait is magnified and overblown because he is young (and homegrown)
3. regarding player's flaws, you always get the same reply: leave the kid alone, he is 18, 20 or 22 ffs.
Regarding fixing those flaws, replies are always: he is young, time is on his side, he will improve.
4. when he doesn't improve his flaws in the next 2-3 years, fans turn excuses to:
- it's Valverde, Koeman, Xavi. He is clueless, no one has improved under him. Under the right coach and the system, he would look way better.
- or: fans turn to his teammates, like: Arthur can't make forward passes because no one is running into an open space. Dembele can't do anything because he is too fast for his teammates. Pedri can't do too much because Busi and Gavi are a bad midfield fit for him.
5. finally, after a few coaches and 3-4 years gone by with a player not improving, fans finally start to give up and move to a new kid.
And, as always, they repeat this process from the point 1, starting with: wow, so much talent, such a good displays aged only 18. We might have a new gem in the making here
Of course, a player or two will make it here and there.
But close to 90% of kids will fail.
And close to 90% will never improve their current flaws.
I know that our team sucks and fans are desperate for new gems and saviors, but that won't happen.
Let's be realistic: RM is buying the best young midfield talents from all over the world, like Brazil, France, Uruguay.
While we rely mostly on Catalan kids and some Spanish players.
Now: who has the bigger pool of gems to choose from?
And who is more likely to hit the jackpot with young players, RM or Barca?
RM, of course.
But we are stuck in the past with once-in-a-lifetime-Xavi-Iniesta era and the club thinks that we can replicate it and hit the jackpot with homegrown kids again.
Or: no one can understand our system as local kids.
Add political identity (Catalonia is not Spain) into mix also.
And this is what you get in the end. RM buying tons of new gem kids, while we are trying to create a new midfield duo from:
1. a hide and seek master who is tired all time and barely shoots
2. and from the other kid who is good only at kicking players
And then fans fall into an eternal loop of excuses and false hope: but he is young, but a bad coach, but horrible teammates, but a bad system, he would shine under Pep etc.
Its like turning kids into witchers .. only 1 in 20 survives the process and the rest die
JamDav1982
Senior Member
BBZ usual... 'everyone over rates Pedri and he is a little lad that will come to nothing' was the initial claim more or less.
When Pedri becomes a starter, and international, one of best young mids around, is best mid at Euros, is Golden Boy etc.
Then the rules change... then he writes essays as if Pedri not becoming some all time great still makes him correct.
Usual.. goal posts moving.
I thought the claim was that Kessie types are what is needed and would come in to improve the team no end as a real mans man?
When Pedri becomes a starter, and international, one of best young mids around, is best mid at Euros, is Golden Boy etc.
Then the rules change... then he writes essays as if Pedri not becoming some all time great still makes him correct.
Usual.. goal posts moving.
I thought the claim was that Kessie types are what is needed and would come in to improve the team no end as a real mans man?
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JohnN
Senior Member
We have heard these arguments again and again.
Yes, most young players won't become world class.
Yes, Barca fans have wild expectations from our younger players.
Yes, people can't improve everything about their game after a certain age.
After all that, Pedri is regarded one of the greatest midfield talents produced in the last year's, from everyone, so perhaps he doesn't fall into this category of failed talents.
Yes, most young players won't become world class.
Yes, Barca fans have wild expectations from our younger players.
Yes, people can't improve everything about their game after a certain age.
After all that, Pedri is regarded one of the greatest midfield talents produced in the last year's, from everyone, so perhaps he doesn't fall into this category of failed talents.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
He is a starter for Spain because Lucho is Barca-agent and hates RM.
He is a golden boy, lol, the same as Ballon D or, that is a propaganda award for the richest countries/teams/brands to keep the money and interest growing.
If Pedri were an Ukranian or Polish 20 year old, he would be worth 20-25m at max and he would probably play at some midtable German team or at Red Bull Salzburg, without Golden Boy awards and 80m Transfermarkt worth.
About Kessie, why do you always throw some shit from the past to make another poster "less worthy" regarding the current discussion?
I mean, I could from now on insert: this dude said that Ferran Torres is a good player and that he'll be good for us when I wrote that he is shit even before we signed him.
In reality, your bad estimation regarding Ferran has nothing to do with Pedri and you could be perfectly correct regarding Pedri.
But that's your way of communication, so I am just doing the same.
Regarding Pedri, as some others have mentioned on previous pages, I don't think that he sucks, but I don't think that he is special.
He'll probably end somewhere at Isco's level.
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