1 - Marc-Andre ter Stegen

[Andresito]

They actually can. 2 reasons are possible:

1. If he lacks the fitness to train with the first team
2. If he's under a disciplinary action, that justifies it.

If the club really wants, they can drag out the first reason for a bit longer thanks to his injury and try to find a reason for number 2. I'm sure he'll give something for that going forward, if he hasn't already.

The club can try but if he feels fit and ready to compete he can take it to sports court. Can't just keep saying "we are taking it easy with you, so you should train alone". If the player claims to be fully fit but still not allowed to train with others, it becomes a problem. You just know if ter Stegen senses any sort of adversity he'll attack the club. Don't think it will come to that though because club is smarter than that.

Royal Decree 1006/1985, article 7.4: clubs cannot ban athletes from participating in training, and continued exclusion may entitle the athlete to terminate the contract with compensation

Spanish Footballers’ Association (AFE): clubs are obliged under contract law to treat players "under the same conditions as the rest of their teammates, without discrimination or pressure"

CAS supports the concept that players should not be unfairly isolated or denied team activities

 

[Saladin]

This guy has every culer learning sports law and judicial practice in their spare time.

That gift that keeps on taking and shitting on our faces.

 

[delancey]

Royal Decree 1006/1985, article 7.4: clubs cannot ban athletes from participating in training, and continued exclusion may entitle the athlete to terminate the contract with compensation

Spanish Footballers’ Association (AFE): clubs are obliged under contract law to treat players "under the same conditions as the rest of their teammates, without discrimination or pressure"

CAS supports the concept that players should not be unfairly isolated or denied team activities

These rules don’t prove anything.

First paragraph: no one would be banning Ter Stegen from participating in training if he were sent to Barca B’s training grounds. He would receive the same training as his Barca B team mates.

Second paragraph: Stegen’s teammates include all players from Barca A and Barca B. Therefore, if he had to train with Barca B, he would receive the same training as the rest of his teammates. He would merely be deemed not good enough for the A-team.

Third paragraph: He would not be isolated from Barcelona as he would be training with the B-team. He would receive the same great training as all his Barca B teammates. He should be grateful.


He is needed in Barca B to help bring the team up a notch or two. 😁

 

[Barcaman]

Having been burned when I was quick to judge Frenkie I will refrain from blaming it all on Ter Stegen.
Club does use press to run smear campaigns/do the dirty work and we all know Laporta lies about everything so who knows what's true.

 

[delancey]

Yeah we should hold our tongues as the club smears players who it has a falling out with.

 

[malvolio]

Now the rumors are that he missed out on 3.5M bonus due to not playing the last match of the season.

So he's a greedy cunt to boot.

How long until they go after the wife - personal trainer scenario again?

 

[Loki]

Having been burned when I was quick to judge Frenkie I will refrain from blaming it all on Ter Stegen.
Club does use press to run smear campaigns/do the dirty work and we all know Laporta lies about everything so who knows what's true.

Just that Laporta and the club didn't say anything. The topic was always Flick waits for him to return from the holidays to tell him face to face, he will be degraded to the third goalkeeper. So he did and MAtS ego can't handle this.
That he isn't even the second goalkeeper is a mix of reasons. His high salary, his loud mouth running to every microphone bringing unrests to the team isn't a viable option to sit him on the bench. Remember when he was second to Bravo and ran to the journalists to pressure the club every day to make him number 1, which even peaked in him threatening to go to City?
Someone really think he would have accepted his bench role calmly over the season? Just the recent example of him getting fit a few days before the CL semis and publicly demanded Tek to be deregistered and him registered for the match against Milan showed it is no option to keep his loud ass on the bench.

 

[Andresito]

These rules don’t prove anything.

First paragraph: no one would be banning Ter Stegen from participating in training if he were sent to Barca B’s training grounds. He would receive the same training as his Barca B team mates.

Second paragraph: Stegen’s teammates include all players from Barca A and Barca B. Therefore, if he had to train with Barca B, he would receive the same training as the rest of his teammates. He would merely be deemed not good enough for the A-team.

Third paragraph: He would not be isolated from Barcelona as he would be training with the B-team. He would receive the same great training as all his Barca B teammates. He should be grateful.


He is needed in Barca B to help bring the team up a notch or two. 😁

He belongs to the first team, not the B team as evident by his contract, which makes it unfair treatment. He cannot play with B team either.

 

[Porque]

He belongs to the first team, not the B team as evident by his contract, which makes it unfair treatment. He cannot play with B team either.

But can he play with the C team?

We can register Barca C again, just for him. And tell him that the C doesn't stand for being the 3rd tier Barca side, but for being a 1st tier Cunt.

 

[delancey]

He belongs to the first team, not the B team as evident by his contract, which makes it unfair treatment. He cannot play with B team either.

not saying you are wrong. I really don’t know, but I would point out that B-team players are allowed to play in the A-team. Why would laws allow this but not A-team players to play with B-team?

Seems inconsistent.

 

[Porque]

LaLiga says they can't evaluate the report without a signature [MD]

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This isn't even a Porque porky. It's the headline story of MD right now.

 

[Loki]

The club can try but if he feels fit and ready to compete he can take it to sports court. Can't just keep saying "we are taking it easy with you, so you should train alone". If the player claims to be fully fit but still not allowed to train with others, it becomes a problem. You just know if ter Stegen senses any sort of adversity he'll attack the club. Don't think it will come to that though because club is smarter than that.

HIs own opinion about his fitness has as much weight as his own statement about his injury time. Obviously he can go to a neutral fitness coach and get some sort of confirmation about his fitness, that he takes to court, but such things take time, don't feel good, make him even more alien with the club.

Do you really think he wants to train every day, face the journalists every day after all this shitshow? I see him dragging his injury until winter and then try to leave. I still don't see him sitting 3 years in the stands, living in Barcelona facing daily fans on the streets insulting him and ending his career with 33. Right now he might feel angry, but this feeling will pass as well.
I still trust his senses, his family clear his mind that it's not worth to end his career over this, especially because it'll be soon over anyways.

 

[Loki]

This will get more dirty, won't it:

Barça have cancelled the meeting they had scheduled with Ter Stegen. They will only meet now if the player requests so. Laporta is very angry with the player and the board too is upset with him. Barça's legal services are now stepping in to handle the matter. [
@victor_nahe
]

The Spanish players' association contacted Ter Stegen and assured him that Barcelona have no legal basis to punish him.
@FCBRAC1

 

[Andresito]

not saying you are wrong. I really don’t know, but I would point out that B-team players are allowed to play in the A-team. Why would laws allow this but not A-team players to play with B-team?

Seems inconsistent.

That's how it is in Spain. B players can play with first team but not the other way around. Barca B is not a pure reserve team like they have U23 in England where first teamers can play, they are competing in same pyramid, just that they cannot play same competition as first team.

 

[malvolio]

his loud mouth running to every microphone bringing unrests to the team isn't a viable option to sit him on the bench. Remember when he was second to Bravo and ran to the journalists to pressure the club every day to make him number 1, which even peaked in him threatening to go to City?
Someone really think he would have accepted his bench role calmly over the season? Just the recent example of him getting fit a few days before the CL semis and publicly demanded Tek to be deregistered and him registered for the match against Milan showed it is no option to keep his loud ass on the bench.

Bringing unrest to the team He ran his mouth in some interviews which club setup before his comeback. Doubt it he went to the club and asked for video interviews so he can run his mouth.

Again with that Bravo story, seems like some people don't care about checking the facts. Ter Stegen was signed before Valdes left. The view was for him to succeed Valdes as no 1, but in 1 year or something like that. Valdes left, Ter Stegen came in and got injured in pre-season. Club then signed Bravo who then started in LL for 2 seasons. It was dumb from LE and the club to think two GKs of same caliber will just go along with this setup, even more so when Ter Stegen was signed as No 1. Of course he pressured the club when he had offers as starter for other clubs, that's the way things work. Club then made of decision to sell Bravo to City instead of Stegen.

Courtois started a CL final after a big injury and no one said anything. Even though Lunin was in the form of his life and the guy that did the heavy lifting for Real to get to that final. Again double standards when talking about a similar situation. And there is really no evidence that Stegen's agent talked to the club or anything. Which, if he were my agent, I would surely expect him to do.