9 - Robert Lewandowski

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
Before every season in the DFL system (1st and 2nd division) clubs require a license, otherwise they can't start the season and enter forced relegation. There is handful of requirements to get the license, like stadium size, liquidity etc. Part of it is also debt. The German league is very strict in the amount of debt clubs can have, although they lifted the restrictions temporarily the past 2 seasons cause of Covid (still sanctioned indebted clubs though).

Short story: Should Barca for whatever super weird reason ever enter the German league, they'd absolutely not get a DFL license, and would have to go down to the 3rd league and can't ever promote until their debt situation is solved. Last time this happened was in 2000 to TeBe Berlin.

Good to know, but Schalke wasn't relegated simply because of its debt, was it?

Each country has its own rules, naturally. Spain has its salary caps and Germany has these requirements and I am sure other countries have theirs too. Still a silly remark from Hoeness to always talk down on others and that "here in Germany.." stupid stuff.
 

Yannik

Senior Member
Good to know, but Schalke wasn't relegated simply because of its debt, was it?

No, they might have but as previously mentioned, nearly 40% of the league had to pledge their shares of the domestic TV deal in 2020 when Covid broke out, so the DFL agreed to made sensible exceptions for the current situation.
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
No, they might have but as previously mentioned, nearly 40% of the league had to pledge their shares of the domestic TV deal in 2020 when Covid broke out, so the DFL agreed to made sensible exceptions for the current situation.

OK, got it.

I understand the risks of having a lot of debt but the mentality of debt-aversion is not necessary, to say the least. As long as you have a good business to churn out a lot of revenue and are being able to repay your debt, what is the problem?
 

Jair Ventura

New member

Yannik

Senior Member
OK, got it.

I understand the risks of having a lot of debt but the mentality of debt-aversion is not necessary, to say the least. As long as you have a good business to churn out a lot of revenue and are being able to repay your debt, what is the problem?

I mean you can never tell wether the business will be good forever, it's a bit of an opportunistic gamble because market expansion is not infinite and many outside factors can burst bubbles unpredictably.
but anyway, it's just Hoeness, man trash-talked Stuttgart the other day cause their fans celebrated avoiding relegation like a CL title. He doesn't care about anything.
 

Jair Ventura

New member
Having debt itself is not an unsustainable business model, not having a healthy-revenue generating business, not having growth is an unsustainable business model.

Revenue goes to annual expenditures, leaving little left to pay down billions in debt. Can't really think of any examples where carrying said debt proved to be a viable way to run a club or competition.
 

Yannik

Senior Member
from a simplified economical situation taking up debt is recommended, as long as the value-growth of all your assets exceeds the interest you pay for the loans. And Barca does that. That's how an economist and market optimist would tell you at least.

Realistically Barca is in a bubble. In the original sense debt is just meant to be a temporary financial boost to startup or boost your business that you are going to repay eventually. But Barca, like so many capitalist societies, see debt as permanent. They exploit this system by just refinancing debt ad infinitim. Take a loan, use it to boost production/brand value and revenue, get approval for a bigger loan, and then use the bigger loan to pay off the old loan -> Rinse and repeat, and this will never stop until the market crashes, the bubble bursts and then we don't know what will happen but a lot of people will be in a lot of trouble.
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
Revenue goes to annual expenditures, leaving little left to pay down billions in debt. Can't really think of any examples where carrying said debt proved to be a viable way to run a club or competition.

We have a daunting task indeed and will take a lot of hard work and ingenuity to turn it around, as a club owned by its members. With the right people (Laporta might not be it), we can do it.
 

Messigician

Senior Member
from a simplified economical situation taking up debt is recommended, as long as the value-growth of all your assets exceeds the interest you pay for the loans. And Barca does that. That's how an economist and market optimist would tell you at least.

Realistically Barca is in a bubble. In the original sense debt is just meant to be a temporary financial boost to startup or boost your business that you are going to repay eventually. But Barca, like so many capitalist societies, see debt as permanent. They exploit this system by just refinancing debt ad infinitim. Take a loan, use it to boost production/brand value and revenue, get approval for a bigger loan, and then use the bigger loan to pay off the old loan -> Rinse and repeat, and this will never stop until the market crashes, the bubble bursts and then we don't know what will happen but a lot of people will be in a lot of trouble.

This just isn't true
 

CatalinR10

Senior Member
I doubt CR7 is insecure about his height and physique of all things.

Any signs you have seen of that? Why would he be insecure though?


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He stands on his tips all the time to apear taller than his teammates
 

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