9 - Robert Lewandowski
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KingLeo10
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I'm struggling to think of any dribbling oriented attacking players (basically the ones who take the most tackles) who made it to 1,000 professional games like Messi.
Romario comes to mind but he played a lot of his career in lesser leagues.
Yannik
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That's a good point, but you can also push that in a different direction and ask how many kilometres they covered within those games. Messi and Ronaldo had a certain superstar status within their teams that shifted certain duties away from them, in order to prolong their careers and not strain their fitness too much. It was common practice to build teams around them, and have certain personal "clean up" after them, so that Messi & Ronaldo did not waste stamina on duties they do not excell at, and could instead focus purely on the game with the ball at their feet. It's questionable wether they could have gone the same mileage if they were asked to cover 10km each game for 15-20 years.
Regarding number of games, I feel that Lewandowski never rested and played very much every game he could, and was only really capped by opportunity here. Lesser BuLi games, lesser cup games, overall fewer rounds in int. tournaments etc. Eventually he would've also made 50-100 more games in the same time, if he happened to have the chance to. But of course that's hypothetics.
Regarding number of games, I feel that Lewandowski never rested and played very much every game he could, and was only really capped by opportunity here. Lesser BuLi games, lesser cup games, overall fewer rounds in int. tournaments etc. Eventually he would've also made 50-100 more games in the same time, if he happened to have the chance to. But of course that's hypothetics.
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KingLeo10
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That's also a fair point. I would like to say in Messi's case those 1.5 km difference per game may be counter balanced by him taking on so many tackles and lower body wear and tear. But that's hypothetical category as you say.
CR7 is an interesting case as despite his huge number of games he stopped being "physical" in his play since 2012. He rarely ever duels with CBs or dribbles against tackles.
We agree I think that Lewa is among the elite tier of athletes historically. I just wasn't ready to outright give him top spot just yet. Maybe he will prove me wrong in the next 3-4 years, which would be good for Barca fans.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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The Pep era seasons (especially 11/12) + 14/15 were too much, they played (nearly) every match 90min. The greed for the Golden boot was too big
Donauwelle
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They would have dried up if Benzema would have left. The provider was not that important especially with the tactics Real had with less ball possession. But - Benzema was to CR7 partly what M?ller is to Lewy - just that M?ller is partly the one that takes over the central defenders so Lewy can roam and in other situations gives him a lot assists, too.
He is a natural goalscorer - yes. And yes, he will find ways. But not as often and in that consistency. But that is pretty normal.
Lewy is a unique centre forward - but he is not superman in his fight against two central defenders. If there is no movement etc. he will not physically outforce them if he does not have help. He needs that movement either by himself in situations or another one that helps him and if there is no surprise actions. And they often enough have told the press that they blindly know where the other one is. And it takes a while to get that understanding.
Too good compilations:
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Messigician
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Temptation
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https://www.futhead.com/22/players/48/robert-lewandowski/
Lewandowski's current FIFA card to give you a fair idea about his attributes.
I know people look down on video games in real Football discussions but it still gives us a rough idea at times if you haven't watched much of a player recently.
Lewandowski's current FIFA card to give you a fair idea about his attributes.
I know people look down on video games in real Football discussions but it still gives us a rough idea at times if you haven't watched much of a player recently.
Temptation
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Jose Mourinho uses FM to get player info. Amazon doc of Spurs.....
It's just the pretentious wannabe experts who try to act all knowledgeable disregarding things like this.
Like I said, FIFA/FM isn't what anyone should judge on the basis of, but it can certainly give you a rough idea in certain cases.
Many managers use FM data. Sometimes, FM data is better than actual club data in second division clubs.
It's just the pretentious wannabe experts who try to act all knowledgeable disregarding things like this.
Like I said, FIFA/FM isn't what anyone should judge on the basis of, but it can certainly give you a rough idea in certain cases.
Many managers use FM data. Sometimes, FM data is better than actual club data in second division clubs.
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ajnotkeith
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FM is very different to FIFA tho. FIFA are far more inaccurate in how they rate players and actually sometimes adjust their stats to fit in with the meta, it isn't a realistic video game.
FM is much more realistic in stats and gameplay.
Temptation
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I agree.
FIFA is close to reliable only for the big name players. FM much more detailed for sure.
I was surprised seeing how many coaches use FM info. I mean Jose friggin Mourinho, who has a bucketload of trophies uses it.
KingLeo10
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ajnotkeith
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FM ratings are pretty much made by scouts/in a scout-like system.
Fans of clubs/leagues/nations who watch the teams frequently (they prove this through season tickets I believe) volunteer to do stats for certain teams, and it is all moderated by a 'head scout' for that league/country that gets paid a wage by SI.
So the stats on FM are usually more or less accurate, suggested by fans/avid watchers and then moderated by paid employees.
You can't send scouts to watch every single player so FM stats can be a good starting point to find players with certain characteristics. A massive database.
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