Ronald Koeman

Windhook

Windhook

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Ancelotti's career skyrocketed after taking over AC Milan in 2001, a squad he inherited by Fatih Terim, who vouched for the signings of Rui Costa, Inzaghi, Pirlo, Donati and Cosmin Contra. Meanwhile Koeman was doing also great in Eredivisie, but his career took a huge blow after the Valencia fiasco. Can't really tell who's better coach, but definitely can name who's the more successful one and that's Carlo.
 
Messigician

Messigician

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Barto vindicated

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serghei

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khaled_a_d said:
I think you keep attributing everything to the manager serghei but it is just inaccurate.
Klopp wasn't able to lead Liverpool to CL in his 1st year and lost EL final to Seville (sure some controversial decisions in the final, but also true that there was controversial decisions against Villarreal in SF too)
Klopp didn't want Salah at all, and just had to accept that the scouts decided that he is better for the type of players he wants, same scouts who identified Mane, VVD and Alison. 4 players that transformed the team the 1st minutes they touch the ball with barely any influence from Klopp.

Manu just kept getting Maguire, Sancho and such type of players instead of the Salah.
Klopp coach Manu and he will be called choker, like he was called around 30 months ago. Give Liverpool Edwards and they won't win anything.
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Among teams with top players, the manager makes the biggest difference. It's pretty clear to me. Unless you can build a team with a crazy, and a disproportionate amount of talent, like MSN Barca great, and even then Lucho was no slouch, the manager is the most vital single piece.

United is an underperforming team with a lot of top players. You like to underrate players or to undermine the role of the manager in developing them. You make it sound like Salah was this huge Neymar star and Klopp just got lucky, when in fact Salah's current level is also attributed to Klopp in part. When you're just entering your prime, and you join a team perfectly set up with a great manager, you instantly go up a couple of levels, which is what Salah did at Liverpool. It's with Klopp's help that Salah progressed so well and so sudden, not irrespective of him.

Great manager + top young(ish) players + a couple of serious, fit, and committed veterans is an unbeatable combination. Add a mediocre manager instead of the top one and it all goes to shit.
 
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behindbrowneyes

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iniestaGOAT said:
Hes no better than koeman, maybe a little bitter. Look at all the GOAT sqauds hes managed and the amount of league titles hes won. Shambolic.
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Ancelotti is more of a laissez-faire coach compared to current greats. He is to CL what Pep is to Championships. His style fits and works better in knockouts.

I agree that his output in leagues could and should be better for a coach of his name, but he has still won Ligue1, Premier League, Bundesliga and Serie A. The only one that's missing is La Liga, which he might achieve this season.

He had great squads, but Koeman wouldn't win in 50 years what Ancelotti has won so far. Becoming coach of so many great teams is also a sign of quality. No top team apart from Barca would consider the hiring of Koeman. That's the difference.
 
serghei

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Ancelotti, like Zidane a bit, is very good at managing a locker room with many different personalities. He's a manager very few players get in conflict with, because he probably is fair, likable, and just a guy that commands respect.

I have hardly seen players he worked with bad-mouthing him. Class act. Obviously, proper tactician too.
 
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Morten

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serghei said:
Ancelotti, like Zidane a bit, is very good at managing a locker room with many different personalities. He's a manager very few players get in conflict with, because he probably is fair, likable, and just a guy that commands respect.

I have hardly seen players he worked with bad-mouthing him. Class act. Obviously, proper tactician too.
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Bayern players didn't like him though, for some reason.

Found it odd, he got along just about everywhere else he went, just not there.
 
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mc_lovin

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It doesn't matter how bad Real look when they still get five or six wide open 4v4 counter attacks. We play so damn naive. Possession without any sophistication. Can we please sack him?
 
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