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    Laporta better be very careful what he does, because he is in danger of fucking it up royally. It should be either Xavi, or the creme de la creme of managers. If he comes up with some crap name, someone with experience but bland as fuck, his tenure is gonna fail big time.

    Xavi makes sense. Even if he fails, you can't really moan that you gave him a chance, he's the brain of the best team ever ffs. Sometimes I get the feeling we're talking about somebody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porque View Post
    Maybe it has been taken out of context, but I don't like the quote where he seemingly says coaching in the Qatari league is a higher testing ground than coaching Barcelona B in Segunda B, new Segunda RFEF or the Spanish Smartbank.

    It is a development team, yes, but the opposition are not.

    I personally see more value and am more impressed in what Xabi Alonso achieved last year testing his ideas in Spanish Segunda B and getting promoted than Xavi testing his ideas in Al Sadd.

    Maybe Xabi did something more valuable and impressive than Xavi, there is an argument for either maybe I don't know, but either way there are many managers that did more valuable and impressive things than Xavi.

    Question shouldn't be who already did the most impressive things though, but who could do the best job for Barcelona. Obvious, but needs to be said.
    I, and others, have listed reasons why Xavi could be great - as with any manager arriving at a new club there are risks, there are never guarantees.
    Laporta and the club should know what type of person they want long term and give him the trust and help he needs, not just blindly go for the first "world class manager" available to get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    @khaled_a_d, your proposed approach has been the one Bartomeu used this whole time. It has worked rather poorly long term. Sincerely, your line of argumentation would have made it very hard to ever get in a position to get someone like Guardiola, simply because he wasn't experienced at the time, and didn't have credentials. You put far too much emphasis on that.
    That is nonsense.
    As I said, there are 2 approaches, work within the organization or prove yourself against top coaches in a strong league.
    The 1st one is literally what Pep did, and I mentioned it zillions of times.
    Pep did it, Zidane did it, Lucho did it, Pirlo was on the way to do it before Juve sacked Sarri. Alonso and Raul are currently doing it.

    Xavi decided to go to Qatar, because he thinks it is better to challenge the likes of Blanc, Schafer, Hallgrimsson, Jokanovic rather than Alonso and Raul? Fair play to him, I myself conceded that it is bigger job than 3rd division but it simply takes him out of the 2 categories that big clubs has appointed coaches from 1-developed within 2-Done decent job elsewhere (by elsewhere, I mean in Europe or SA at least).

    When you decide to make your own path, you can't demand others to agree with you in it.
    If Laporta see it as bad choice, can you blame him?

    Xavi isn't young for a coach either, by next year he will be 42 which isn't that young for a new coach.

    If we give Xavi the job due to lack of alternatives, that is another thing. But what if Klopp decided next year that his cycle with Liverpool is over? Do you choose Xavi over him? what if Marco Rose wins Bundesliga with BVB? Do you go after Xavi instead of him just because he is Xavi?

    I said it before, I am open to Xavi as new coach one day, but for me I want another coach between Koeman and Xavi. It will be helpful to everyone including Xavi himself.
    When a coach like him says in his 1st year as a manager that he didn't coach defense, I will have to question what rookie adjustments he will need in Europe against world class opponents, I would prefer if he get that reality check somewhere else instead of his 1st season in Barca.
    And hopefully, he will have no former teammates by then
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    Quote Originally Posted by khaled_a_d View Post
    That is nonsense.
    As I said, there are 2 approaches, work within the organization or prove yourself against top coaches in a strong league.
    The 1st one is literally what Pep did, and I mentioned it zillions of times.
    Pep did it, Zidane did it, Lucho did it, Pirlo was on the way to do it before Juve sacked Sarri. Alonso and Raul are currently doing it.

    Xavi decided to go to Qatar, because he thinks it is better to challenge the likes of Blanc, Schafer, Hallgrimsson, Jokanovic rather than Alonso and Raul? Fair play to him, I myself conceded that it is bigger job than 3rd division but it simply takes him out of the 2 categories that big clubs has appointed coaches from 1-developed within 2-Done decent job elsewhere (by elsewhere, I mean in Europe or SA at least).

    When you decide to make your own path, you can't demand others to agree with you in it.
    If Laporta see it as bad choice, can you blame him?

    Xavi isn't young for a coach either, by next year he will be 42 which isn't that young for a new coach.

    If we give Xavi the job due to lack of alternatives, that is another thing. But what if Klopp decided next year that his cycle with Liverpool is over? Do you choose Xavi over him? what if Marco Rose wins Bundesliga with BVB? Do you go after Xavi instead of him just because he is Xavi?

    I said it before, I am open to Xavi as new coach one day, but for me I want another coach between Koeman and Xavi. It will be helpful to everyone including Xavi himself.
    When a coach like him says in his 1st year as a manager that he didn't coach defense, I will have to question what rookie adjustments he will need in Europe against world class opponents, I would prefer if he get that reality check somewhere else instead of his 1st season in Barca.
    And hopefully, he will have no former teammates by then
    Good post.

    I will add that coaching the B team is not "just a step down as it is a development team". It is the opportunity to coach inside the Barcelona environment and prove your credentials for the first team.

    And when you go to the first team, you have a complete understanding of the B team players you are ready to take with you straight away and those who might be ready in 1 year, 2 years etc. Not just peripherally seeing someone like Riqui Puig and saying he has the DNA to make it here.

    So there is merit in what Laporta sees as "graduate criteria" for Xavi to show what he does as a manager inside Barcelona before going to the first team- ideally next year as that is when Koeman contract expires.

    One final point, and this comes with todays news of the overhaul of the La Masia. Going to the B team now means you also get to imprint the new direction of the whole of LaMasia. So it is an interesting proposition, just not paid as highly as Qatar.

    @Bobo32 - I agree, he seems to have the traits and can might jump successfully from Qatar. The points Khaled made on Laporta's thinking are very sound. It is not really a step backwards to get involved in the Barcelona system for a year with B.

    To make an analogy in Qatar he is taking players from 0 to 70 which is easier than taking players from 70 to 90, and where all of your rivals are also trying to implement similar styles as yourself.
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    Did Xavi decide to go to Qatar for those reasons? Genuine question. I thought he went there to play for a couple of years and be paid lots of money for it whilst living a mad luxury lifestyle in Qatar. I'm sure there was the agreement to coach afterwards, learn the ropes and practice his ideas. It's just that reason to go there isn't what's being made out. Unless of course there's some source verifying it that I'm unaware of.

    Recently didn't he say he was staying to be part of this whole Qatar 2022 world cup business, to promote it etc? So if I have this right (more than happy to be proven wrong because I wouldn't want this to be the case about our legends) it seems like he's there to earn loads of money, be treated like a god and promote the most corruptly awarded world cup ever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rory View Post
    Did Xavi decide to go to Qatar for those reasons? Genuine question. I thought he went there to play for a couple of years and be paid lots of money for it whilst living a mad luxury lifestyle in Qatar. I'm sure there was the agreement to coach afterwards, learn the ropes and practice his ideas. It's just that reason to go there isn't what's being made out. Unless of course there's some source verifying it that I'm unaware of.

    Recently didn't he say he was staying to be part of this whole Qatar 2022 world cup business, to promote it etc? So if I have this right (more than happy to be proven wrong because I wouldn't want this to be the case about our legends) it seems like he's there to earn loads of money, be treated like a god and promote the most corruptly awarded world cup ever?
    https://www.gulf-times.com/story/442...y-Al-Sadd-club

    The midfielder has signed a two-year contract, which could be extended to three years, and will play and coach as well as be an ambassador for Qatar's World Cup 2022 bid.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/32811382

    "We have a unique opportunity to make history," said Xavi. "I think the Qatar project is nice, and it's ideal for me. In the future I'd like to come back to Barca.

    "I had a very good offer to renew with Barca, but I didn't even tell my mother. I want to keep playing. I know I can still perform, although it'll be in a lower-level league.

    "Barca will continue to be great without me. I'm convinced."

    According to his agent, Ivan Corretja, Xavi would also become an ambassador for the 2022 World Cup to be held in the Gulf state, and look to start his coaching qualifications.

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    Then other sources say it is a 10m/year contract. Can't blame him for taking a deal like that. Only thing is the expectation that that qualifies directly to the Barcelona A team job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    Laporta better be very careful what he does, because he is in danger of fucking it up royally. It should be either Xavi, or the creme de la creme of managers. If he comes up with some crap name, someone with experience but bland as fuck, his tenure is gonna fail big time.

    Xavi makes sense. Even if he fails, you can't really moan that you gave him a chance, he's the brain of the best team ever ffs. Sometimes I get the feeling we're talking about somebody else.
    You are talking about someone else. You are talking about Xavi the player who retired some years ago. We are talking about Xavi the coach who started coaching in Qatar.
    Xavi the coach makes 0 sense
    Giving him a chance is not an obligation of the club, especially at this moment.

    Laporta wants Pep, that's clear. And he is willing to wait until 2023 to get him if there is chance he would reconsider then. Personally I think he won't, since he does not want to coach Barca again.

    Then there are the top German coaches that Laporta had in mind like Klopp, Flick, Nagelsman, Tuchel.
    Unfortunately all of them are employed and with contracts that do not suggest their time is up anytime soon.

    Hence, it's more likely that Koeman stays put until one of them becomes available, and that should be the strategy Laporta has in mind.
    He is not gonna blow Koeman's work in transitioning, playing better football, introducing youngsters, and moving out the old guard, for an experiment with an unproven Xavi or Pimienta or someone else that just excites the fancy and imagination of some portion of the fanbase.
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