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Thread: Should Barcelona sign Gianluigi Donnarumma?

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    Quote Originally Posted by khaled_a_d View Post
    It is already said we put same offer as Juve, who aren't known for overpayment.
    Agent cut is standard in any transfer btw, not just free.
    People only think he will be expensive because Raiola, but people are forgetting MATS is one of the best paid GK in the world.
    If someone like Donna is available in next few years, he will be worth 70M+ easily,
    Tgere is very little chance he isn't a bargain deal.

    Raiola isn't the only PIA agent out there, he is just the one that has celebrity status.
    Usually when there is a transfer fee the agent commission is inclusive of the transfer fee. Well it seems Raiola with Haaland is trying to take his fee on top of next years buyout clause, and Neymar's daddy done this too with the Santos deal. But generally this is how it works with transfer fees- above the table.

    Someone like Mino just totally breaks the system and makes his fee's act like unofficial third party ownerships.

    Juve offer is reportedly 10m net wages, 20m to Mino and 3m to Donnarumma father. That is alot of money for us. And alot of salary cap if Stegen is not leaving. If we are selling Stegen for 50m+ then of course it makes financial sense.

    By comparison Milan are signing Maignan from Lille for 13m reportedly + 2m in bonus fees. So less than what Donnarumma will cost on a free transfer. Not making it a Donnarumma versus Maignan thing, just showing that a decent player transfer (1 year left on contract ofc) can be less than an expired Mino client.

    If Mino had Maignan he would probably cost 15m this year, and 15m next year despite being expired. Obviously that is not how things should work.

    To conclude, Raiola and his fee's are the exception not the norm, and should be ignored unless absolutely necessary. Like when getting a talent like Haaland (or Neymar before for us). Not Donarumma (again unless we had planned to sell Stegen for big money and had interested clubs and offers on the table- which we don't).
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    We won everything with bigger clowns in goal than Ter Stegen. Donnarumma might be a bright talent but getting him feels too much hassle for not much return.
    If he were a CB, RB, ST or R/LW wonderkid then yeah, it was worth the gamble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malvolio View Post
    We won everything with bigger clowns in goal than Ter Stegen.
    Who? Don't say Valdes, because when we won "everything " he was in form of his life and on a whole other level than last 2 years version of Stegan

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    Quote Originally Posted by khaled_a_d View Post
    Who? Don't say Valdes, because when we won "everything " he was in form of his life and on a whole other level than last 2 years version of Stegan
    Still a clown. If you want to romanticize Valdes's prime, go ahead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porque View Post
    Juve offer is reportedly 10m net wages, 20m to Mino and 3m to Donnarumma father. That is alot of money for us. And alot of salary cap if Stegen is not leaving. If we are selling Stegen for 50m+ then of course it makes financial sense.
    Reported by whom?
    I mean Raiola reportedly wanted 20 or 40 million for himself in Halaand deal, and he himself laughed on that offer.
    Player's salary is usually very confidential, and there is a lot of media bs in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Porque View Post
    Usually when there is a transfer fee the agent commission is inclusive of the transfer fee. Well it seems Raiola with Haaland is trying to take his fee on top of next years buyout clause, and Neymar's daddy done this too with the Santos deal. But generally this is how it works with transfer fees- above the table.

    Someone like Mino just totally breaks the system and makes his fee's act like unofficial third party ownerships.
    That isn't very accurate and a bit outdated.
    Agent fees have been negotiated separately for almost a decade now, in almost every big transfer. Neymar, Bale, Raiola's agent and even Mendes clients at times.
    Years ago it was 5% paid from the selling club, that isn't happening for a high profile player and agent anymore and surely not for a free player.
    And even when it is no transfer, players and agents will get paid a lot during renewal, even our own MATS did it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Porque View Post
    To conclude, Raiola and his fee's are the exception not the norm, and should be ignored unless absolutely necessary. Like when getting a talent like Haaland (or Neymar before for us). Not Donarumma (again unless we had planned to sell Stegen for big money and had interested clubs and offers on the table- which we don't).
    This is all based on some "reports" about agent fees, that basically says than Donna at worst will get MATS wages and will cost 23M as a transfer? Honestly that doesn't sound that bad.
    And I highly doubt MATS is going to stay if we are buying Donna, at worst we will keep him until he gets us the price we want but Stegen himself won't accept staying as back up, Donnaruma in means Stegen is out, just a question of when.
    If we get neutral from the deal, then we get a younger GK with higher potential and most likely a better one too.
    I highly doubt we are signing him if the finances of the deal is bad for the club, judging by our moves we are only going for opportunities more than anything else

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    Quote Originally Posted by malvolio View Post
    Still a clown. If you want to romanticize Valdes's prime, go ahead
    He was a clown, but not when we were winning.
    That is huge difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by khaled_a_d View Post
    He was a clown, but not when we were winning.
    That is huge difference
    Well, Ter Stegen wasn't a clown either when we won the CL and those Ligas with him in goal

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    Quote Originally Posted by malvolio View Post
    Well, Ter Stegen wasn't a clown either when we won the CL and those Ligas with him in goal
    Which is my main point, we aren't winning shit with a clown as GK.
    MATS was good during 17-19 with EV, he had a good show during 14/15 CL.
    If we had this version of MATS, I would have no problem keeping him as undisputed starter.
    Since it has been 2 years since he showed that, and since the fact that he has multiple operation in same knee including 2 within a year while being 29, then it is very suspect we aren't getting good version of Ter Stegen but clown version.

    And the main report about Gianluigi Donnarumma is we see him as market opportunity, we aren't breaking the bank for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porque View Post
    Usually when there is a transfer fee the agent commission is inclusive of the transfer fee. Well it seems Raiola with Haaland is trying to take his fee on top of next years buyout clause, and Neymar's daddy done this too with the Santos deal. But generally this is how it works with transfer fees- above the table.

    Someone like Mino just totally breaks the system and makes his fee's act like unofficial third party ownerships.

    Juve offer is reportedly 10m net wages, 20m to Mino and 3m to Donnarumma father. That is alot of money for us. And alot of salary cap if Stegen is not leaving. If we are selling Stegen for 50m+ then of course it makes financial sense.

    By comparison Milan are signing Maignan from Lille for 13m reportedly + 2m in bonus fees. So less than what Donnarumma will cost on a free transfer. Not making it a Donnarumma versus Maignan thing, just showing that a decent player transfer (1 year left on contract ofc) can be less than an expired Mino client.

    If Mino had Maignan he would probably cost 15m this year, and 15m next year despite being expired. Obviously that is not how things should work.

    To conclude, Raiola and his fee's are the exception not the norm, and should be ignored unless absolutely necessary. Like when getting a talent like Haaland (or Neymar before for us). Not Donarumma (again unless we had planned to sell Stegen for big money and had interested clubs and offers on the table- which we don't).
    Milan are saving more than 80Mil after this move
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    @khaled_a_d Mats is on 10 gross if I'm not mistaken , Donnarumma wants 10 net.


    Speculation on my part here : But apparently when Maignan got signed , Donnarumma had no idea (probably Maldini gotten tired of his shit). Also rumours of Donna still not having an agreement with anyone which leads to me believe that Raiola is just driving up the price and seeing if he can get Juve to agree to paying him 10m net in wages.
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    We aren't breaking the bank, just making him our best payed GK ever.
    Also, all the rumours point out that Ter Stegen stays no 1. How will that work with 10 mil net a season Donarumma on the bench?
    The usual circus from the fat rat. No top club is in the market, apart from Juventus who want to get Buffons heir

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    Quote Originally Posted by malvolio View Post
    We aren't breaking the bank, just making him our best payed GK ever.
    Also, all the rumours point out that Ter Stegen stays no 1. How will that work with 10 mil net a season Donarumma on the bench?
    The usual circus from the fat rat. No top club is in the market, apart from Juventus who want to get Buffons heir
    Cant see Donnarumma signing but even less can see him or MATS on bench.

    Loan one of them out would surely happen but not sure why Donnarumma would sign to then go on loan.

    Loan MATS to try to raise his stock and sell him next summer.

    More likely Raiola just up to his games and trying to get more money elsewhere though.

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    This is probably a leverage play by Raiola yeah.

    Surprised to see so many against this signing even if the costs are high. Especially given how almost the entire forum want to get rid of MAtS.

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    Signing him as competition for Stegen is hilariously nonsensical imo. I'd sign him as no1 keeper, younger and better than Stegen, potentially cheaper for the club as well. I'd look to sell Stegen in Germany if possible, for even 15-20m.

    Laporta needs to realize that the goalkeeper position can and should be improved upon. One of the worst decisions by Zubi to go for Stegen vs Courtois.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonAK View Post
    This is probably a leverage play by Raiola yeah.

    Surprised to see so many against this signing even if the costs are high. Especially given how almost the entire forum want to get rid of MAtS.
    We can't afford to keep two high paid goalies. It makes zero sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonAK View Post
    This is probably a leverage play by Raiola yeah.

    Surprised to see so many against this signing even if the costs are high. Especially given how almost the entire forum want to get rid of MAtS.
    Because they are annoying, it is that simple. Ask Milan supporters and you will know that GD is not worth dealing with Raiola.