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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnN View Post
    So, in his 6 peak years he got 3 cls.. not 1 in 10.
    Pretty.good.
    It's a decent record, no doubt, but considering he is supposed to be the very best, it could (and should have) been better. Maldini and Seedorf, for example, have 5 CLs; as does CR.

    I don't think anyone here denies he could/should have won a couple more. The question is whether that is entirely his fault (of course, it isn't), his coaches (probably more), the Club's (i.e. Barto signing a thousand broken players for 100m), and other factors. I think a fair assessment would include elements from each of these factors.

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    So the question is whether Messi will ever win a Champions League again if he stays in Barcelona. I'm not so sure he will, given our performances vs Bayern and Paris. Which is why he was angling for a move to City/Paris: La Ligas are great but Champions Leagues make legends.

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    Not only at Barca. He won't win another one except if he goes to a team that is already one of the favorites, like Bayern, Liverpool, City, or PSG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    Not only at Barca. He won't win another one except if he goes to a team that is already one of the favorites, like Bayern, Liverpool, City, or PSG.
    That seems to be the case, yes.

    Think he'll stay with Barcelona, which means he won't any more Champions Leagues. That'd be a pity. His talent deserves at least two more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Suarez View Post
    That seems to be the case, yes.

    Think he'll stay with Barcelona, which means he won't any more Champions Leagues. That'd be a pity.
    Well. CL isn't exactly a cupcake competition to win. A lot of things have to go right, even with a good team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingLeo10 View Post
    Well. CL isn't exactly a cupcake competition to win. A lot of things have to go right, even with a good team. His talent deserves at least two more.
    That's the thing isn't it. A lot of folks say the domestic league is more important and more representative of a team's consistency throughout the season but the players themselves prize the Champions League (at the elite club level) above all else. It's simply the most prestigious, by far. The players themselves say as much, and I'd think they'd know football more than most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Suarez View Post
    That's the thing isn't it. A lot of folks say the domestic league is more important and more representative of a team's consistency throughout the season but the players themselves prize the Champions League (at the elite club level) above all else. It's simply the most prestigious, by far. The players themselves say as much, and I'd think they'd know football more than most.
    Agree.

    I prize 1 CL as much as 2-3 LL. 2 if the league is really strong like LL was in the 2010s. 3 if it's weaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingLeo10 View Post
    Agree.

    I prize 1 CL as much as 2-3 LL. 2 if the league is really strong like LL was in the 2010s. 3 if it's weaker.
    Ditto kiddo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarcaOG View Post
    It's a decent record, no doubt, but considering he is supposed to be the very best, it could (and should have) been better. Maldini and Seedorf, for example, have 5 CLs; as does CR.

    I don't think anyone here denies he could/should have won a couple more. The question is whether that is entirely his fault (of course, it isn't), his coaches (probably more), the Club's (i.e. Barto signing a thousand broken players for 100m), and other factors. I think a fair assessment would include elements from each of these factors.
    Maldini and seedorf both great players.
    Both have more cls than messi. What does that tell us?
    Absolutely nothing except if they are supposed to be better than messi for that reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnN View Post
    Maldini and seedorf both great players.
    Both have more cls than messi. What does that tell us?
    Absolutely nothing except if they are supposed to be better than messi for that reason.
    Read the rest of the post. You are missing the other three things I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarcaOG View Post
    Read the rest of the post. You are missing the other three things I said.
    Ok, I read it.
    What is the point of bringing it up as a point of criticism if you can't make any conclusion out of it then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnN View Post
    Ok, I read it.
    What is the point of bringing it up as a point of criticism if you can't make any conclusion out of it then.
    ? the conclusion is pretty clear: the elimination is (obviously) not entirely Messi's fault. What other conclusion do you want me to make?

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    How could a week start better than with a barca match ?

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    exactly--a home match, at that!! lets gooooo