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    Quote Originally Posted by Kubala View Post
    Not a 4 4 2 no, the wide players would still be attacking forwards pressing high, NOT wide midfield players, just Messi would drop to make a three in MF. If anything it would transition to a 4-3-3, not a 4-4-2
    You have to press as a team though. And Messi being a CM while the opponent is transitioning from defense to attack will be even worse. A Messi that runs 7km as a midfielder is asking for trouble.

    Keep in mind Im talking about those big games in the CL. When it comes to most la liga opponents you can put Messi wherever you like and we would still likely come out on top.
    Maybe you guys dont believe me but even with 72 years I have a body from a 39 years old man, in my mind I am 22. When people try to guess my age they say 35 , 40 or something. Last week a girl said 29!!!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by messi2140 View Post
    You have to press as a team though. And Messi being a CM while the opponent is transitioning from defense to attack will be even worse. A Messi that runs 7km as a midfielder is asking for trouble.

    Keep in mind Im talking about those big games in the CL. When it comes to most la liga opponents you can put Messi wherever you like and we would still likely come out on top.
    True, it is a problem I don't envy Koeman having to solve. I just think Semedo needs much more help wide, whereas in the middle others can be Messi's legs. Full backs can push up to make a MF 4, 5 with Leo etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagIX View Post
    Key: around one minute.

    He only wants to work with players who are willing to work hard. Otherwise they can talk to management and leave.

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    Easier said than done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kubala View Post
    ----------------MATS----------------
    Semedo-----Araujo---Lenglet-----Alba

    ----------Pjanic-----DeJong----------

    Dembele--------Messi----------Fati

    ------------------9------------------
    messi cant play there, he needs to play false nine

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    Seems really happy to be back at Barca.

    Check out this video he posted: https://twitter.com/RonaldKoeman/sta...81030114734080

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alik View Post
    Seems really happy to be back at Barca.

    Check out this video he posted: https://twitter.com/RonaldKoeman/sta...81030114734080
    Class vid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alik View Post
    Seems really happy to be back at Barca.

    Check out this video he posted: https://twitter.com/RonaldKoeman/sta...81030114734080
    Nice one!!
    I really hope he doesn't disappoint and doesn't get disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnN View Post
    Nice one!!
    I really hope he doesn't disappoint and doesn't get disappointed.
    So do I.

    Summary of quotes from his first press conference:

    "We Dutchmen love to keep the ball and dominate, not run after it. I learned to play good football and same while managing as well. I feel ready for this job."

    "There are players who have reached a certain age and can't compete at a certain level. But we respect everyone and we will do what's best for the team."

    "I don't want to take names of players. But we are working together and will take the right decisions."

    "Messi is the best in the world. I would love for him to stay many years. I don't know if I have to convince him to stay."

    "It's not necessary that a player is finished at 32 or 33. The important thing is the desire to win. I want to work with players who want to play for this great club."

    "A heavy defeat like that is not acceptable, not even against Bayern. We want to improve things, and bring back the good times."

    "Elections? I have a two year contract. I will do my best, but as a manager, you can never be sure."

    "Suarez? I won't talk about individual players here, out of respect."

    "Frenkie De Jong has not been playing at his best position here. With me, he played closer to the defense. We will do the best for him."

    "It is time to play youngsters who are deserving. We need to play with more intensity."

    "There must be a balance of young players and experienced players."
    Source: Barcacentre

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kubala View Post
    I think Messi is an intelligent enough player to adapt to this position, especially with movement in front of him and a double pivot behind. When he plays RW now we need superman at RB to cover the whole right side which Semedo definately is NOT.
    It's not about Messi not being intelligent enough. The guy is 33 and very lazy in defense. No coach is going to be able to change him.

    I've suggested before that Messi starting out as RW could work with a mobile RCM like Bernardo who takes advantage of the space Messi leaves when he wanders inside.
    Di Maria did this well at Madrid too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kubala View Post
    Not a 4 4 2 no, the wide players would still be attacking forwards pressing high, NOT wide midfield players, just Messi would drop to make a three in MF. If anything it would transition to a 4-3-3, not a 4-4-2
    So a 4-2-4.

    In a 4-2-3-1 you want at least one dynamic CM to make second wave runs into the box.
    But that's provided that somebody can cover together with the other CM. Messi won't track back from his CAM position, so it comes down to the wingers being able to cover ground.

    When typing a formation I think one should start from how the defensive shape will look. Attack is supposed to be done fluidly so numbers in formation here doesn't matter much.

    A 4-2-3-1 with Messi CAM that people are suggesting will in reality be a 4-4-2 for most part of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andresito View Post
    It's not about Messi not being intelligent enough. The guy is 33 and very lazy in defense. No coach is going to be able to change him.

    I've suggested before that Messi starting out as RW could work with a mobile RCM like Bernardo who takes advantage of the space Messi leaves when he wanders inside.
    Di Maria did this well at Madrid too.



    So a 4-2-4.

    In a 4-2-3-1 you want at least one dynamic CM to make second wave runs into the box.
    But that's provided that somebody can cover together with the other CM. Messi won't track back from his CAM position, so it comes down to the wingers being able to cover ground.

    When typing a formation I think one should start from how the defensive shape will look. Attack is supposed to be done fluidly so numbers in formation here doesn't matter much.

    A 4-2-3-1 with Messi CAM that people are suggesting will in reality be a 4-4-2 for most part of the game.
    No, not 4-2-4, why keep suggesting everything OTHER than 4-2-3-1 which is what I'm saying. Okay, you don't think it will work but I think it's the only way to get the best out of Messi' last years and not be pushovers, and I think Messi could play there AS a 4-2-3-1 if he has the desire. He has all the other attributes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andresito View Post
    I've written this plenty of times, but seeing as there are some new posters here I'm gonna repeat it.

    4-2-3-1 with Messi doesn't work. It doesn't exist. He won't play as a traditional CAM but will instead drop from a more attacking position, like he does today. Conclusion is either we play 4-2-4 or the wingers drop down a notch and we play 4-4-2.
    For that to work out the RM and LM needs to be disciplined, especially if we have two natural RW/LW playing RM/LM.

    We always need at least 3 players behind Messi, if he plays at RW in a 4-3-3 or CF in 4-3-3/4-4-2, that comes naturally.
    CAM only works if we play without wingers, 4-3-1-2 but even then Messi tends to end up as the RF.
    You're goddamn right. Messi can't change his habits at 33 years old.

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    Pretty shocked at this decision. Koeman basically ruined my club and set them back decades. When he joined we had Barkley, Lukaku, Deulofeu and others. He sold all our good players, took another 300m from a once in a generation opportunity due to having a new owner and basically wasted it on a lot of players who didn't perform which we have then been unable to shift due to high wages.

    I don't think there is one Everton fan who has a good word to say about him.

    He came into the club with the same philosophy of requiring the players to work hard. I honestly never saw any difference between their workrate of the players under him and Martinez but it wouldn't surprise me if he secretly didn't want Messi to stay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adversus View Post
    Pretty shocked at this decision. Koeman basically ruined my club and set them back decades. When he joined we had Barkley, Lukaku, Deulofeu and others. He sold all our good players, took another 300m from a once in a generation opportunity due to having a new owner and basically wasted it on a lot of players who didn't perform which we have then been unable to shift due to high wages.

    I don't think there is one Everton fan who has a good word to say about him.

    He came into the club with the same philosophy of requiring the players to work hard. I honestly never saw any difference between their workrate of the players under him and Martinez but it wouldn't surprise me if he secretly didn't want Messi to stay.
    But how much of the recruitment and player sales involved him? I doubt they'd hand him that much responsibility

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adversus View Post
    Pretty shocked at this decision. Koeman basically ruined my club and set them back decades. When he joined we had Barkley, Lukaku, Deulofeu and others. He sold all our good players, took another 300m from a once in a generation opportunity due to having a new owner and basically wasted it on a lot of players who didn't perform which we have then been unable to shift due to high wages.

    I don't think there is one Everton fan who has a good word to say about him.

    He came into the club with the same philosophy of requiring the players to work hard. I honestly never saw any difference between their workrate of the players under him and Martinez but it wouldn't surprise me if he secretly didn't want Messi to stay.
    Everton have been dross before Koeman and after Koeman, shit sporting direction.