I will attempt to be as bias free as possible.
Ok, Lets go!
The only blight is a 4-4 aggregate loss to Roma.
Underplaying a historic 3-0 hammering from a clearly inferior side as an aggregate 4-4 loss is clearly not unbiased.
Second season, won the league comfortably, was even with Liverpool on xg over the two legs and had bad luck to lose by 4 goals at Anfield. Imo had Dembele put away the sitter unfair or not we break Liverpool and win the treble with a 4-0 win and destroy a spurs we beat easily in the group stage.
Even with Liverpool on xg?
We got demolished in both matches and luck and Messi saved our asses on the first. Any unbiased viewer would say the same. We were lucky not to lose at Nou Camp, by a big margin, in the first place.
Also, Dembele had one miss, a bad one at that, but still
one miss. You simply cannot blame a 4-0 battering on that, in order to defend EV.
Again, not unbiased.
3rd season the apparent disaster season. Ok so he's had no Suarez, and no Messi for most of it, disaster right? Well is it? Let's review at the time of his sacking our results. Unbeaten in UCL, top of the league by 2 points and unbeaten in the Copa. Lost the supercup to athletico in one of the best games in the season we played well and deserved to win it. All this without Messi and Suarez for most of it and key injuries to Roberto Alba etc.
We were getting dominated in every single match by teams with 1/10th of our budget and real was crapper than ever.
The last game vs AM we played great and deserved the win (fuck Var for disallowing a great Messi goal).
The sacking after this performance, at that point of the season, was truly mind boggling and simply wrong.
Players loved him, nuff said never defended Setien at all while accepting the blame for the losses.
Players love him because they did whatever they wanted and he did everything in his power to please the seniors, a.k.a bent over.
How can being a pussy be attributed as a good thing?
People forget the deadweight we had with LE, Aleix Vidal, Turan, Gomes etc was a disaster, we shipped out all the deadweight while EV made players like Paulinho work.
Didn't play Semedo, Arthur, Mina, Alena, etc wildly critiqued for this proven right in the end. Quickly preferred Araujo over Tobido with good reason too.
Wanted Willian which people hated, now they cry out for actual wingers, with Willian we would get one of the hardest working players who can play either side. Would offer pace to a side that needs it as well as pressing.
He was able to make players like Paulinho, Vidal, etc.. work. TRUE DAT!
Undefeated against Real Madrid has the best Clasico win percentage along with Pep.
Has the best champions league win % out of any modern manager in history only losing 2 games in 3 years.
Those 2 games are not just "2 games" though, are they? Underselling them, again, is not unbiased.
Myths
Only beat a weak real Madrid side... right so a prime madrid with CR7, Modric, kroos, casemiro is weak fyi they won UCL that season and we won the league both times with points to spare.
Choking began under EV... our away games against European opposition has a sad 20% win rate stat kindly shared by BBZ. The last time we were decent away was under Rijkard this problem goes beyond EV.
Played awful football. Board squandered the Neymar money, EV learned fast in the supercup demolitions that this squad can't play beautiful football, regardless showed glimpses of what he can do with a proper squad look at the Copa final in Iniesta's final game as an example.
1. That was not a prime Madrid by any stretch of the imagination, but we did beat them consistently with a mediocre squad, which is one of EV's good sides.
2. Choking, did begin under EV, in the sense that we had great leads (perhaps undeserved too) that we gave away by playing stupidly and without passion.
We have had many bad away results for a long time, but Roma and Anfield were on a whole new level.
3. EV cannot create a team that plays beautiful football. He is a defensive guy, and that kind of fit to our squad, since they are too unable to play good football.
What has sacking EV gotten us? A trophy less season if you're going to sack him do it at the end of S2 not midway through it is disrespectful to him. And speaking of disrespect the man who bought is trophies is called Retardo but a joke who watched Bayern put 8 past us and not even move gets the respect to be called Setien? Disgraceful...
At least now people can see the squad has been finished and EV was overachieving with what he bad.
The squad needed an overhaul for years. EV was a decent caretaker.
PPS in the Bayern game everyone was awful, in EVs lost games individual errors and poor finishing cost us the wins not bad preparation or formations. Look at Umtiti, Dembele, Rakutic as the main culprits.
Semedo, Mats and Sergi. There you go. Amazingly bad performances from them and too many individual errors.
Please at least show some respect and change the thread title to what he deserves as a valued part of our history.
You can start a Poll for this one. Let's see how it goes. It would be fair.
This is not a biased free post, so it's logical you can expect non bias free responses.
All in all it boils down to this: EV was bad. Setien was bad (worse). One does not exclude the other.
