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    BBZ back to his usual antics.

    Never talks about how Milan bought their way to big titles in 1980s or how Italian teams were setting transfer records during their heyday.

    Honestly, at times, I lose all respect for him and think he's just a troll with more creativity than Messigician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    La Liga was never dominant except during Galacticos in 1998-2000-2002 when Real bought titles with money = with buying R9, Zidane, Figo, Beckham, Roberto Carlos
    Then we won a title in 2006 due to Ronaldinho and an awesome team, but it is hard to call it a domination over Italians or EPL teams back then.

    The only real domination was during Messi-Xavi-Iniesta and RM with CR7 = so, when Barca and Real had two best players in the world, paired with MSN, Xavi-Iniesta or signings worth 500 millions.
    And Sevilla's UEFA cup titles, of course.

    People love to think in a romantic way that success comes with good work, historical work of a team, good youth academy and similar.
    But in majority of cases, titles go where the highest amount of money is invested.

    Now, the question for the future:
    1. since Barca is broke
    2. Messi and CR7 (and Neymar) are gone
    3. we are not that attractive anymore to a new gen of social media young players who are after new fancy teams like City, any EPL teams or Psg
    4. EPL has insanely lucrative Tv deals, while we suck. Soon even Everton will earn more than us

    The question is: how will La Liga look like in the future?
    = the safest bet is = it will be on a level of Serie A and Bundesliga while EPL will be a spaceship compared to us.

    Money, money, money.
    No wonder that uncle Flo and nephew Laporta wanted to create Superleague.
    Reals CLs in 1998 and 2000 none of the 'big name' expensive players you name were there bar Carlos who did not cost a lot.

    You are speaking absolute shite as normal.

    Real got worse after splashed big cash on majority of players you mention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    I am not arguing about Pep's era and later with CR7.
    I am saying that Spain didn't dominate pre-Pep:
    2006: Barca:Arsenal 2:1
    2007: Milan:Liverpool 2:1
    2008: Man utd:Chelsea pens

    From 2005/06 to 2008, EPL had 4 CL finalists out of 6 spots.
    They even had a finalist in 2005: Liverpool:Milan pens
    And in 2009: Barca:Man Utd

    From 2005 to 2009 final, out of 10 finalists spots:
    6 spots England
    2 spots Barca
    2 spots Milan

    Barca did win 2 finals, but I wouldn't call it a domination, it was Barca vs several EPL teams.
    That doesn't mean that La Liga dominated EPL, it only meant that BARCA dominated due to Messi-Ronaldinho-Xavi-Iniesta.
    Levante and Getafe didn't raise in their quality due to Messi's header in 2009 final.
    Yeah you are right about mid 00s
    There are always some great teams from other leagues that pop up within the dominance of a certain League, but they are outliers rather than instances of the main trend

    If I were to map the trend of dominance the last 30 years, it would be something like:

    - early to late 90s: Italian clubs (Milan and Juve in CL, many others in UEFA/Cup Winners)
    Van Gaal's Ajax, and Hitschfeld's Dortmund the outliers in that era

    -Late 90s to early 00s: Spanish dominance (RM CLs, Valencia finals, and all Spanish teams good in Europe)
    Fergie's ManUtd and Bayern the outliers here

    - Early 00s to late 00s: English dominance (Liverpool, Utd, Chelsea, even Arsenal made a final)
    Rijkaard's Barca and Ancelotti's Milan the outliers here

    - Late 00s to mid 10s: Spanish dominance (Pep's Barca, Perez's new Galactico RM, Simeone's Atleti, Emery's Sevilla, etc)
    Mou's Inter, both Huynkes' and Pep's Bayern the outliers

    - Mid 10s to now: English dominance (Pep's City, Klopp's Liverpool, Poch' Tottenham, recently Tuchel's Chelsea, Utd in Europa)
    Flick's Bayern obviously the outlier here, and it seems PSG as well
    1992

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingLeo10 View Post
    BBZ back to his usual antics.

    Never talks about how Milan bought their way to big titles in 1980s or how Italian teams were setting transfer records during their heyday.

    Honestly, at times, I lose all respect for him and think he's just a troll with more creativity than Messigician.
    I think it's genuine. I think he just has a pathological need to argue and be a contrarian. If he disliked Spanish football and its direction so much all he has to do is not follow it, he has no obligations to do otherwise considering he's Croatian. Could just watch the PL that has his power, pace and height football he loves so much. But he doesn't, because he'd rather argue on this website instead.

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    Ernesto Valverde UCL home record

    Played - 14
    Won - 12
    Draw - 2
    Lost - 0
    Goals for - 38
    Goals against - 6

    Unappreciated genius

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    Should we be surprised how poor PSG were the other night? Messi and Neymar looked like old men compared to their time at Barca. Mbappe is the man there. I wonder is it just early season sharpness missing but I was disappointed with them the other night.

    Looked like teams like Bayern/Liverpool to run all over PSG. Not sure they have a chance of the CL anymore, where at first I thought who is going to be able to beat them.

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    They were disappointing in the first match but they have good players and a good manager. Chances are they will be one of the contenders when they click but nothing is sure. It's too early to come to conclusions now. Even for Barca. We were really bad, but could improve with time and all the squad healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnN View Post
    They were disappointing in the first match but they have good players and a good manager. Chances are they will be one of the contenders when they click but nothing is sure. It's too early to come to conclusions now. Even for Barca. We were really bad, but could improve with time and all the squad healthy.
    I just don't see a frontline of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe succeed unless two of them make huge sacrifices. Mbappe has always been on the lazier side and with his transfer in mind I don't see him tear himself apart for the team. Neymar has the best workrate of the three, but he's not what Messi needs. I don't see him play as a classic inverted winger anymore, he may very well even lack the pace for that now.

    This whole Messi transfer boils down to me that just because you can do something it doesn't mean you should.

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    PSG has been chasing the big names without caring for the fitment and tactical plan for years and years. One of the many reasons they are still mocked and ridiculed. Nothing new here. For the sheiks, football is sort of a dick-measuring contest.

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    Messi needs to return to BARCA asap

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    Quote Originally Posted by mc_lovin View Post
    I just don't see a frontline of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe succeed unless two of them make huge sacrifices. Mbappe has always been on the lazier side and with his transfer in mind I don't see him tear himself apart for the team. Neymar has the best workrate of the three, but he's not what Messi needs. I don't see him play as a classic inverted winger anymore, he may very well even lack the pace for that now.

    This whole Messi transfer boils down to me that just because you can do something it doesn't mean you should.
    Neymar USED To have a great work rate, but he lost it. He became Messi #2. He is not pressing like his Barca prime times or defending. He was a phenomenal player back in the day.

    and like you said, tough to see any of these three sacrificing their game for another, so it will end up in a loss.

    Look at Benzema for Real for example. He gave the limelight to Ronaldo, now Benzema king of LaLiga, and banging goals for fun. He gave all that glory to Ronaldo. They would need Benzema type of guy.