Champions League

To make it more emphatic:

The big 3 of Spain, produced in 270 min all together, only 1(!!!) chance: Rodrygo's goal
And If the opponent was Bayern for Barca, for RM and Atleti there are no excuses...

This should tell you enough about the state of Spanish clubs at the moment

JamDav1982 said:

Shots on target between Real, Barca and Atletico... 3.

League is abysmal.

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Blame in on Tebas and the clubs themselves. Too fucking complacent. No planning, just winging it and now suddenly la liga is looking like a second rate league on par with Serie A.

Actually I think Serie A is actually better now.

ACM aren't a banter team anymore, that was pretty impressive from Liverpool tbh.

Sucks this had to be our opening game to the group, Liverpool away with there fans back, ouch.

No excuse for Atletico Madrid to have that sort of performance at home vs Porto, with the squad depth they have.

La Liga was dominant for many many years. It's logical that the level would drop at some point. Football cycles are like that.

JohnN said:

La Liga was dominant for many many years. It's logical that the level would drop at some point. Football cycles are like that.

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La Liga was never dominant except during Galacticos in 1998-2000-2002 when Real bought titles with money = with buying R9, Zidane, Figo, Beckham, Roberto Carlos
Then we won a title in 2006 due to Ronaldinho and an awesome team, but it is hard to call it a domination over Italians or EPL teams back then.

The only real domination was during Messi-Xavi-Iniesta and RM with CR7 = so, when Barca and Real had two best players in the world, paired with MSN, Xavi-Iniesta or signings worth 500 millions.
And Sevilla's UEFA cup titles, of course.

People love to think in a romantic way that success comes with good work, historical work of a team, good youth academy and similar.
But in majority of cases, titles go where the highest amount of money is invested.

Now, the question for the future:
1. since Barca is broke
2. Messi and CR7 (and Neymar) are gone
3. we are not that attractive anymore to a new gen of social media young players who are after new fancy teams like City, any EPL teams or Psg
4. EPL has insanely lucrative Tv deals, while we suck. Soon even Everton will earn more than us

The question is: how will La Liga look like in the future?
= the safest bet is = it will be on a level of Serie A and Bundesliga while EPL will be a spaceship compared to us.

Money, money, money.
No wonder that uncle Flo and nephew Laporta wanted to create Superleague.

BBZ8800 said:

La Liga was never dominant except during Galacticos in 1998-2000-2002 when Real bought titles with money = with buying R9, Zidane, Figo, Beckham, Roberto Carlos
Then we won a title in 2006 due to Ronaldinho and an awesome team, but it is hard to call it a domination over Italians or EPL teams back then.

The only real domination was during Messi-Xavi-Iniesta and RM with CR7 = so, when Barca and Real had two best players in the world, paired with MSN, Xavi-Iniesta or signings worth 500 millions.
And Sevilla's UEFA cup titles, of course.

People love to think in a romantic way that success comes with good work, historical work of a team, good youth academy and similar.
But in majority of cases, titles go where the highest amount of money is invested.

Now, the question for the future:
1. since Barca is broke
2. Messi and CR7 (and Neymar) are gone
3. we are not that attractive anymore to a new gen of social media young players who are after new fancy teams like City, any EPL teams or Psg
4. EPL has insanely lucrative Tv deals, while we suck. Soon even Everton will earn more than us

The question is: how will La Liga look like in the future?
= the safest bet is = it will be on a level of Serie A and Bundesliga while EPL will be a spaceship compared to us.

Money, money, money.
No wonder that uncle Flo and nephew Laporta wanted to create Superleague.

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Are you high?
Spanish football dominated the world from 2006 to 2017.
Don't make me post the stats, it's obvious.

BBZ8800 said:

La Liga was never dominant except during Galacticos in 1998-2000-2002 when Real bought titles with money = with buying R9, Zidane, Figo, Beckham, Roberto Carlos
Then we won a title in 2006 due to Ronaldinho and an awesome team, but it is hard to call it a domination over Italians or EPL teams back then.

The only real domination was during Messi-Xavi-Iniesta and RM with CR7 = so, when Barca and Real had two best players in the world, paired with MSN, Xavi-Iniesta or signings worth 500 millions.
And Sevilla's UEFA cup titles, of course.

People love to think in a romantic way that success comes with good work, historical work of a team, good youth academy and similar.
But in majority of cases, titles go where the highest amount of money is invested.

Now, the question for the future:
1. since Barca is broke
2. Messi and CR7 (and Neymar) are gone
3. we are not that attractive anymore to a new gen of social media young players who are after new fancy teams like City, any EPL teams or Psg
4. EPL has insanely lucrative Tv deals, while we suck. Soon even Everton will earn more than us

The question is: how will La Liga look like in the future?
= the safest bet is = it will be on a level of Serie A and Bundesliga while EPL will be a spaceship compared to us.

Money, money, money.
No wonder that uncle Flo and nephew Laporta wanted to create Superleague.

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Oh boy, but you do realize what Perez has in mind next year? They will buy their way out of whatever slump they are in right now.

JohnN said:

Are you high?
Spanish football dominated the world from 2006 to 2017.
Don't make me post the stats, it's obvious.

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I am not arguing about Pep's era and later with CR7.
I am saying that Spain didn't dominate pre-Pep:
2006: Barca:Arsenal 2:1
2007: Milan:Liverpool 2:1
2008: Man utd:Chelsea pens

From 2005/06 to 2008, EPL had 4 CL finalists out of 6 spots.
They even had a finalist in 2005: Liverpool:Milan pens
And in 2009: Barca:Man Utd

From 2005 to 2009 final, out of 10 finalists spots:
6 spots England
2 spots Barca
2 spots Milan

Barca did win 2 finals, but I wouldn't call it a domination, it was Barca vs several EPL teams.
That doesn't mean that La Liga dominated EPL, it only meant that BARCA dominated due to Messi-Ronaldinho-Xavi-Iniesta.
Levante and Getafe didn't raise in their quality due to Messi's header in 2009 final.

The main point is still: money usually brings success.
Our greatest players ever were expensive signings like R9, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho (except Messi who was bought as a kid).
Our revival as a club started in 2003 and 2004 when Laporta spent more than Psg today:
35-ish m on Ronaldinho, which is like 120m today
25-ish m on Etoo, which is 80-100m today
20-ish m on Deco, which is like 60-80m today
10-ish m on Guily which is like 30-40m today
Then 20-30m in today's worth for: Edmilson, Maxi Lopez or 15-20m for: Marquez, Belletti, Gio, Sylvinho etc.

That was like 400-500m invested in today's worth.

So, it is not as if our success came with being "good guys", it came from insane amount of money invested.

The question remains: what do you expect from La liga without financial power as EPL?

JohnN said:

Are you high?
Spanish football dominated the world from 2006 to 2017.
Don't make me post the stats, it's obvious.

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Yes, he is high. Same old bullshit about cherry picking finals or other matches to prove a point. While forgetting how Sevilla owned the EL over the same period. Or teams like Atletico Madrid being in semis or final. Bilbao, Villareal, Atletico also being good in EL.

Most barcaforum residents will only evaluate a team by its last match in the CL KOs.

La Liga clubs have won the most titles from years 2000-10 and from 2010-20 both in CL and EL. Further, since 2000/01 when Valencia and Alaves have lost their European finals against Bayern (in penalties) and Liverpool (with a golden goal rule) respectively La Liga clubs have won 16 consecutive finals (7 in CL, 9 in EL) against teams from other leagues. There were also 5 all-Spanish finals in that time (3 in CL, 2 in EL).

But sure, let's pick out three seasons in 20 years when they've not won anything to prove your point.

Porque said:

No excuse for Atletico Madrid to have that sort of performance at home vs Porto, with the squad depth they have.

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Simeone was always a joke of a coach, I expect that from him. Right now he's a blind man driving a ferrari.

BBZ back to his usual antics.

Never talks about how Milan bought their way to big titles in 1980s or how Italian teams were setting transfer records during their heyday.

Honestly, at times, I lose all respect for him and think he's just a troll with more creativity than Messigician.

BBZ8800 said:

La Liga was never dominant except during Galacticos in 1998-2000-2002 when Real bought titles with money = with buying R9, Zidane, Figo, Beckham, Roberto Carlos
Then we won a title in 2006 due to Ronaldinho and an awesome team, but it is hard to call it a domination over Italians or EPL teams back then.

The only real domination was during Messi-Xavi-Iniesta and RM with CR7 = so, when Barca and Real had two best players in the world, paired with MSN, Xavi-Iniesta or signings worth 500 millions.
And Sevilla's UEFA cup titles, of course.

People love to think in a romantic way that success comes with good work, historical work of a team, good youth academy and similar.
But in majority of cases, titles go where the highest amount of money is invested.

Now, the question for the future:
1. since Barca is broke
2. Messi and CR7 (and Neymar) are gone
3. we are not that attractive anymore to a new gen of social media young players who are after new fancy teams like City, any EPL teams or Psg
4. EPL has insanely lucrative Tv deals, while we suck. Soon even Everton will earn more than us

The question is: how will La Liga look like in the future?
= the safest bet is = it will be on a level of Serie A and Bundesliga while EPL will be a spaceship compared to us.

Money, money, money.
No wonder that uncle Flo and nephew Laporta wanted to create Superleague.

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Reals CLs in 1998 and 2000 none of the 'big name' expensive players you name were there bar Carlos who did not cost a lot.

You are speaking absolute shite as normal.

Real got worse after splashed big cash on majority of players you mention.