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    Quote Originally Posted by JamDav1982 View Post
    Barca have scored most goals in the league and that is without a CF.

    The attacking side of game is not the issue as much as defence.

    Carrying Messi and Suarez was too much in forward line off the ball and way they both played as high risk wasnt working anymore and was only going to get worse.

    Could argue if Messi had left keeping Suarez would have been better move but two of them together? Long done.
    Mate, you're posting that bullshit stat about best attack in La Liga every other day now. It's pointless because it doesn't mean anything. We scored some 2-3 goals more against some bums that Atletico wins against with 1-0. The difference is that they do it consistently while we struggle for a goal in some games. Ask Real, they're in the same situation.
    While our defense is shite, it could be a non-factor with a more ruthless attack.

    Bumwaite or even Griezmann, don't cover their shitty finishing with the running and defensive contribution.
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    He frustrated the hell out of me at times but my god did we fuck up letting him go without replacing him. Yes him and Messi cannot co-exist for 90 minutes in the same team but he'd have finished off several of the chances we consistently balls up.

    Only Bartomeu-era Barcelona could give our only pure 9 to a direct rival and not have a single replacement lined up. Depay is not the answer either, majority of his goals come from penalties he's no more prolific than Griezzy from open play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malvolio View Post
    Mate, you're posting that bullshit stat about best attack in La Liga every other day now. It's pointless because it doesn't mean anything. We scored some 2-3 goals more against some bums that Atletico wins against with 1-0. The difference is that they do it consistently while we struggle for a goal in some games.
    While our defense is shite, it could be a non-factor with a more ruthless attack.

    Bumwaite or even Griezmann, don't cover their shitty finishing with the running and defensive contribution.
    Nah posting it when made out Barca are desperately missing Suarez from team.

    Haha 'it doesnt mean anything' of course it does it shows Barca have scored more goals than any team in league so far. Barca score more consistently and Atletico defend better as I said.

    Barca would be more efficient if defended better individually the goals have been there so far.

    Messi and Suarez together was done. Correct to let him go and move on.

    So 'ruthless' with Messi and Suarez last season won more points when didnt play together than when did...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamDav1982 View Post
    So 'ruthless' with Messi and Suarez last season won more points when didnt play together than when did...
    Interesting stat hmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamDav1982 View Post
    Nah posting it when made out Barca are desperately missing Suarez from team.

    Haha 'it doesnt mean anything' of course it does it shows Barca have scored more goals than any team in league so far. Barca score more consistently and Atletico defend better as I said.

    Barca would be more efficient if defended better individually the goals have been there so far.

    Messi and Suarez together was done. Correct to let him go and move on.

    So 'ruthless' with Messi and Suarez last season won more points when didnt play together than when did...
    You do realize that they've beat Betis at home with 2-0 while we won against them with 5-2? That's 3 goals difference from only one game. They are on 33, while we are on 37. So it's 4 goals against some bums at home represents the best attack in La Liga. Sound logic - keep pedaling on that one

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    Quote Originally Posted by malvolio View Post
    You do realize that they've beat Betis at home with 2-0 while we won against them with 5-2? That's 3 goals difference from only one game. They are on 33, while we are on 37. So it's 4 goals against some bums at home represents the best attack in La Liga. Sound logic - keep pedeling on that one
    Yes I realise Barca score more goals and Atletico defend better as I said.

    Atletico have failed to score three time in league...Barca twice and that is including away to Atletico by far best defence in the league... which obviously they cant come up against. Despite you claiming struggle to score more often.

    Barca have scored most goals in league and scored in more games than Atletico and that is without a CF.

    The point is Messi and Suarez together was done and fucking up shape of team. Correct to move on and try to improve things as going nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamDav1982 View Post
    Yes I realise Barca score more goals and Atletico defend better as I said.

    Atletico have failed to score three time in league...Barca twice and that is including away to Atletico by far best defence in the league... which obviously they cant come up against. Despite you claiming struggle to score more often.

    Barca have scored most goals in league and scored in more games than Atletico and that is without a CF.

    The point is Messi and Suarez together was done and fucking up shape of team. Correct to move on and try to improve things as going nowhere.
    Barcelona scored between 90 and 100 goals a season, for the past 10 years or more. Atletico scored around 60-70, in the same period. Right now we are on track to just about the same numbers for Atletico, but way lower for us. But you keep telling me what a great attack we have.

    I didn't say we struggle to score more often. I've said we struggle for a goal in some games. Like the three draws at home that could have been put to bet with better finishing.

    Atletico do have the best defense, but that is not news to anyone. Us not having a CF who scores constantly is a problem, that even Koemann admitted.

    Team shape and all that is bullshit. We let him go because of his contract. Trying to improve with Bumwaite and Griezmann, yeah we turned it around. We're going places!
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    Quote Originally Posted by malvolio View Post
    I didn't say we struggle to score more often. I've said we struggle for a goal in some games. Like the three draws at home that could have been put to bet with better finishing.

    Atletico do have the best defense, but that is not news to anyone. Us not having a CF who scores constantly is a problem, that even Koemann admitted.

    Team shape and all that is bullshit. We let him go because of his contract. Trying to improve with Bumwaite and Griezmann, yeah we turned it around. We're going places!
    The the three draws at home could have been won with better defending also as Atletico manage. That has been the reason for dropped points and difference between two. Atletico can win 1-0 Barca struggle to.

    Barca not having a CF is an issue clearly and Suarez is better CF individually than anything Barca have bar Messi in false nine but that is not the point. The point is the team was done with Messi and Suarez and was impactimg whole team trying to play for them.

    He was let go because of contract and the value of it for what was bringing to team... and that was with Messi, terrible one dimensional team play built to protect them for individual moments.

    Were going nowhere with Messi/Suarez frontline and it is about more than just who has replaced him at CF it is about how the team need to get back to playing as a unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamDav1982 View Post
    The the three draws at home could have been won with better defending also as Atletico manage. That has been the reason for dropped points and difference between two. Atletico can win 1-0 Barca struggle to.

    Barca not having a CF is an issue clearly and Suarez is better CF individually than anything Barca have bar Messi in false nine but that is not the point. The point is the team was done with Messi and Suarez and was impactimg whole team trying to play for them.

    He was let go because of contract and the value of it for what was bringing to team... and that was with Messi, terrible one dimensional team play built to protect them for individual moments.

    Were going nowhere with Messi/Suarez frontline and it is about more than just who has replaced him at CF it is about how the team need to get back to playing as a unit.
    since simeone took over at atletico, they've nearly always had the best defense in the league. just as we had nearly always the best attack. so what you are saying about us having the best attack right now it's irrelevant because we are way off our usual numbers. instead atletico has the same number of conceded goals, like they always do.

    we don't win by defending better, with few exceptions maybe. but we surely won titles by having a very good home record and outscoring opponents. so the three draws at home were usually fixed by our attack scoring more.

    what you are saying about defending better is like saying we should be more like atletico. when in reality we are an attacking team that finishes opponents by scoring more, not by defending better.

    that's why it is more important to us having a 15-20 goals a season striker, instead of bumwaite and griezmann.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malvolio View Post
    since simeone took over at atletico, they've nearly always had the best defense in the league. just as we had nearly always the best attack. so what you are saying about us having the best attack right now it's irrelevant because we are way off our usual numbers. instead atletico has the same number of conceded goals, like they always do.

    we don't win by defending better, with few exceptions maybe. but we surely won titles by having a very good home record and outscoring opponents. so the three draws at home were usually fixed by our attack scoring more.

    what you are saying about defending better is like saying we should be more like atletico. when in reality we are an attacking team that finishes opponents by scoring more, not by defending better.

    that's why it is more important to us having a 15-20 goals a season striker, instead of bumwaite and griezmann.
    We need the fans, in 17-18 or 18-19 we outplayed every oppenent in camp nou. We scored 3/4/5/6 goals while now we struggle to score even 2 goals.
    Barca will win the league, trust me.

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    Edit2 (after 1-1 against Eibar): Its over guys.

    Edit3 (after Real 1-1 against Elche): Congratulations Atletico.

    Atletico & Real out of Copa: Lets win this fucking trophy guys

    There is also a second leg.....

    FINAL GUYS !!!


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    Suarez is exactly what Atletico needs to be champion. Simone already said he will be the main man in the beginning. And now he shows it.
    Of coure Atletico is never one man show. They win as a team but Suarez now takes them to different level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdy View Post
    His playing style was toxic for where Barca were and for what Barca want to do now.
    Please explain.... 'cause maybe we are all watching the wrong channel !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nazario1985 View Post
    Please explain.... 'cause maybe we are all watching the wrong channel !!!
    it sounded right for the conspiracy theorists in here. the same people that told us how poor griezmann, or poor fati, were bullied by suarez or messi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamDav1982 View Post

    So 'ruthless' with Messi and Suarez last season won more points when didnt play together than when did...
    Yeah, that's an interesting stat. Source??

    Quote Originally Posted by Nazario1985 View Post
    Please explain.... 'cause maybe we are all watching the wrong channel !!!
    For an ageing Barca that lacks combined movement up front in the attacking part of the game, and intense pressuring when defending,
    Suarez2020 is toxic... Maybe Suarez2015 would be good for that, but not Suarez2020.


    For a side that plays like current Atleti, where he sits close to the halfway line - when the other 9 players are sitting back to defend deep - with no defensive duties, or when they are trying to unlock a defense by crossing & feeding a main striker - he has that role- then even Suarez2020 is fine...
    Xavi's Cups

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    Suarez is finished for the big teams, against Bayern or Real he was awful as he is slow as fuck and easy to defend but against small teams he is still a top class player. Problem was that he would never accept the bench role in barca so he needed to go.
    Barca will win the league, trust me.

    Edit (after 2-1 loss against Cadiz): Don't trust me.

    Edit2 (after 1-1 against Eibar): Its over guys.

    Edit3 (after Real 1-1 against Elche): Congratulations Atletico.

    Atletico & Real out of Copa: Lets win this fucking trophy guys

    There is also a second leg.....

    FINAL GUYS !!!


    Edit4 (after Atletico 2-2 against Celta): Never give up guys.

    Edit (after 0-2 against Levante): We are back yeaaaah