Luis Suárez
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soul24rage
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BarcaOG
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except this falls apart when messi isnt in scoring form as in earlier this season, which cost us the league title. and which means that if messi doesnt score in the CL no one else will, probably. so no, not having suarez is not as good as you suggest. itll take one off night for messi in the CL for us to lose that trophy, too
Messi983
Senior Member
How many goals did Suarez score in the CL in last 4-5 years again?
BarcaOG
Banned
youre correct about that but we could have at least used them in the league, which is not lost to us and belongs to atleti
thanks to
suarez
Why is it that whenever I see people wanting Suarez back, I never see a suggested formation to how we'd play.
I can't see either of these front 6's working. Someone please suggest a better one.
4-4-4/4-2-3-1:
Suarez, Messi
Griezmann, Pedri, Frenkie, Ousmane
4-3-3:
Griez/Ous, Suarez, Messi
Pedri, Busi, Frenkie
Either Messi plays or Suarez does. Nobody's suggesting Suarez should retire, he still has some football in him which we see at Atleti.
But he's not the player he used to be, and neither is Messi. That's why it's not worth it to sacrifice a whole team just for those to predictably play off each other.
It's something that used to be great but has been on a clear decline. I'd much prefer to get rid of it now than milk it dry like we did Rakitic and now doing with Busi.
Look ahead for once.
I can't see either of these front 6's working. Someone please suggest a better one.
4-4-4/4-2-3-1:
Suarez, Messi
Griezmann, Pedri, Frenkie, Ousmane
4-3-3:
Griez/Ous, Suarez, Messi
Pedri, Busi, Frenkie
Either Messi plays or Suarez does. Nobody's suggesting Suarez should retire, he still has some football in him which we see at Atleti.
But he's not the player he used to be, and neither is Messi. That's why it's not worth it to sacrifice a whole team just for those to predictably play off each other.
It's something that used to be great but has been on a clear decline. I'd much prefer to get rid of it now than milk it dry like we did Rakitic and now doing with Busi.
Look ahead for once.
malvolio
Senior Member
i always see this mentioned about griezmann. is there any statistic that confirms it? like how many times he makes runs, or how many times he recovers the ball from opposition?
what does working hard really means for a forward? losing possession or receiving ball to feet only to turn around and pass it back?
i would have imagined that by getting rid of suarez we'll have a forward line that presses the opposition and somehow protects the midfield/defense. instead, we're conceding chances more than ever.
It means he is the French Robbie Savage, but with slightly less luscious locks.
Were conceeding more chances because we're risking more to create more in attack.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Always pressing, looking to run into space and show for ball would be working hard for a forward in my book.
'Always pass it back'... doesnt happen and is creating a lot of chances and very good chances since on LW. Last game for example more key passes than the next two combined. The game prior v Sevilla about only quality moment from Barca that game to open them up with the Messi chance.
Too many individual errors in defence that have zero to do with the midfield or front line pressing.
Barca are not conceding 'more chances than ever'. There is less chances conceded this season even with the injuries and individual errors.
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te amo barca
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Griezmann's defensive stats:
20/21: 0.9 and 0.8 tackles per game in La Liga and CL. 0.4 and 0.8 interceptions.
He has almost the same stats for 19/20.
Suarez's defensive stats:
20/21: 0.3 tackles per game in La Liga and CL, 0.2 and 0 interceptions.
19/20: 0.1 and 0.3 tackles per game in La Liga and CL, 0 and 0.6 interceptions.
Bear in mind that these stats do not register the quality of pressing, i.e. closing down of the passing lanes and the intensity of pressing runs. Suarez pressed once maybe in 10 games.
Defensively, Suarez was and is a passenger. Atleti can afford it as the other 9 players do the running for him. In fact, we could afford it too if Messi left. But last season we had both Messi and Suarez doing minimal defensive work. This season we have everyone pressing with Messi doing less defensive work than others. This is the way it's supposed to be, and when we had MSN it was the same with Suarez and Neymar pressing more than Messi. However, Suarez's legs have gone due to age.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Except your argument falls apart in that Suarez and Messi together last season failed to win the league anyway and would be same issues but a year older.
You argument about CL is even worse. Go look at Suarez record.
Bobo32
Senior Member
When I replied to your post I said switch him with Griezmann.
He can play between RB-RCB of opp.team, press high but neither press or try to get the ball deep into his own half.
He could also play as CF with Messi as RW, pretty much as your second lineup.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Play Suarez LW/ST is as bad as it gets and all the problems remain.
Doesnt provide anything need from that role.
Suarez CF and Messi right wing has already failed and ruined structure of team. Dont need to see it again.
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