Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Luis Suarez is better than Griezmann and Coutinho together LOL.
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Fati_Future_BallonDor
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, because we gave Atletico the striker they need to win their games 1-0.JamDav1982
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Barca were not winning the league with Suarez regardless and just stagnating.
Cant have two players who offer so little off ball as Messi and Suarez and hope to compete and it was only going to get worse.
Dont really care all that much if he goes to Atletico and finishes above Barca either as would rather see them win it than Real.
Their defence has been better this season is one of biggest changes and Felix is a year on. Llorente is improved withe new roles playing since Anfield. It is not all about Suarez at all.
The Observer
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Griezmann scored 3 goals so far in almost half a season. Suarez is a proven fit with Messi AND individually scores more, assists more, makes the better striker movements to generate chances. Would EASILY give Barca additional 5, 6 or 7 points and also take away from Atletico's current tally, so Barca would be easily competing at the top.
His defensive contribution in La Liga games against Elche matter zilch when Barca is on the front foot 95 % of the time.
JamDav1982
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Suarez and Messi both need legs around them. Cant have two players like that in front line and would not have won the league would just be getting progressively worse.
Barca have scored more and missed more than Atletico anyway. The biggest difference is the consistency of Atleticos defending this season so far.
serghei
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True. Atletico defending is the difference. In almost all games if they score even once they win the game.
FinBarcelonafan
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Barca has been unbelievable unlucky with scoring , Atletico scoring one goal and lucky enough not to concide any goal. Nah. Big variance there.
malvolio
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Close the topic already. This guy has it figured out.
Of course Messi + Suarez would have been just fine. But here we are discussing about stagnation when we haven't brought any striker and all the known duds failed as expected.
Fati and Dembele wouldn't have had less minutes with Suarez around anyway. So don't get this bullshit theory that we would have stagnated.
Let's stop lying to ourselves here. Half of season gone already and we're still discussing bad luck. Bad luck occurs over 2-3 games. It's clear that we are shite all over the pitch
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JamDav1982
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Stagnated as two older players that cant move properly and was already an issue and was only getting worse with prospect of it lasting another season after that.
Team would not have won La Liga and would have been same issues as previous season but worse.
Barca are not struggling to score goals and likes of Fati and Dembele look better when less focus on slow attackers that cant press or move consistently and play with one another so often.
JamDav1982
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Come on guys, we're playing Martin Braithwaite full time since Atletico. Which happened some time ago.
And he's the best we've got.
It's not like we'd bench Halaand for Suarez.
Braithwaite is shite and Suarez is clearly better and will score more goals.
But for me Messi and Suarez up top together was done and contributed to Barca being too slow and predictable and less as a team with variety.
Look at end of last season Suarez injured Barca win something like 8 of 10 games without him starting only losing away to Real and Valencia... Suarez in games before and after that injury was scoring goals and getting assists more so than anyone.. but team was getting worse results in that peroid.
It is not all about how many goals/assists Messi and Suarez can rack up together.
serghei
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Come on guys, we're playing Martin Braithwaite full time since Atletico. Which happened some time ago.
And he's the best we've got.
It's not like we'd bench Halaand for Suarez.
We'd probably be better in terms of points, but without winning the league due to the poor defense. So, in the broader spectrum, it's the same shit. The only major difference would be if, god forbid, we manage the feat to end up outside of the top 4.
Anyway, it's inevitable at this point. OK, so you maybe keep both Suarez and Messi for one more season and you make more points and end up 2nd instead of 4th (something similar to last season only a bit worse). It doesn't matter at this point. It's just wasting more time.
The team is not good enough anymore for winning big titles. And not bad enough to finish outside top 4. This is with Suarez or without him.
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malvolio
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It's debatable that we wouldn't have won La Liga, even last year. Competition was/is not much better.
At least this year, it would have been closer. CL was a dream anyway.
Fati just gets more game time now, since we are not playing 442 anymore. Dembele was just injured, he didn't improve or regressed.
Fair enough Messi and Suarez played a lot between them, but they didn't have alternatives around either. Fati was just bursting into the scene. Dembele was injured. Griezmann was helped by both Suarez and Messi at the start, but he is just awful
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