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    Club members vote yes on New Espai Barça proposal

    Putting a sponsor name to the stadium is fine aslong as it is a name that arent accosiated with bloodmoney like Quatar, it adds letter directly to the words Camp and Nou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeloBarca View Post
    Putting a sponsor name to the stadium is fine aslong as it is a name that arent accosiated with bloodmoney like Quatar, it adds letter directly to the words Camp and Nou.
    Actually its oil money

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    And for every David Silva there's a Roque Santa Cruz, for every Yaya Touré there's a Robinho. As if other clubs don't make bad signings let alone the plastic clubs like City & Chelski.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galning View Post
    And for every David Silva there's a Roque Santa Cruz, for every Yaya Touré there's a Robinho. As if other clubs don't make bad signings let alone the plastic clubs like City & Chelski.
    That's not what I said. I said we're just as prone to making bad signing as other clubs.
    Again, there's NO difference between ''plastic'' clubs whatever that means and us. Find me 1 substantial difference (besides that we get most of our money from ads while they get most of their money from 2 guys).
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    Again, there's NO difference between ''plastic'' clubs whatever that means and us. Find me 1 substantial difference (besides that we get most of our money from ads while they get most of their money from 2 guys).
    So basically give an argument besides the one argument that shows the difference? Clubs like Barcelona have worked 115 years to be where they are now. In those clubs a dirty rich man just walked in, splashed some of his cash, and that's it.
    We may not be better than them but we sure as hell are different and if you don't see that then that's your problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galning View Post
    So basically give an argument besides the one argument that shows the difference? Clubs like Barcelona have worked 115 years to be where they are now. In those clubs a dirty rich man just walked in, splashed some of his cash, and that's it.
    We may not be better than them but we sure as hell are different and if you don't see that then that's your problem.
    That's the point. We got a head start by starting as you said 115 years earlier than them. That no one can deny. What were the guys who bought Chelsea, City ... supposed to do? wait 115 years for success? No. they took a shortcut to level the playing field, now they spend as much as everyone else, sometimes more, sometimes less.
    Hell, people say the same about Madrid. and Madrid aren't bankrolled by oil money.
    We are different because we have 115 years of history? sure. as I said no one will disagree HOWEVER, what I was denouncing is this myth of them those rich oil clubs vs poor little us with our la masia home grown players.

    All I said was, we do buy, we do buy for HUGE ammounts, we do buy A LOT and we have the same exact deals that everyone else is making.
    And as I said, the mes que un club mentality is holding us back. The ammount of negative feedback about getting the Qatar airway sponsorship is insane, even tho w/o these deals we wouldn't have gotten Neymar.
    Or people who now think Camp Nou will be renamed to Qatar, that's fucking ridiculous. If anything it'll be Qatar Airways. If you guys don't want Qatar specifically then sure, let's go with anyone else that's not the point. Point is, since we ARE like all other clubs , let's stop pretending we're not.

    If you want to follow a team that really sticks to it's principles then you should follow Bilbao.

    But this is a lost cause, I can't remember with who I've had a discussion the other day about this, basically football is a narrative, without the story it would be too boring. That's why we need Evil Madrid vs Good barcelona. That's why we need Messi vs Ronaldo. Argentine vs Brazil. Mario Balotelli's shenanigans etc, to forget that at the end of the day we're watching a bunch of millionaires shooting balls in a net. The narrative you guys try to create for Barcelona is cute. Just realise that the oil teams create the same narratives for themselves: PSG,Chelsea,City Monaco... were rescued by benefactors to take them to their past glory.
    Hell madrid fans think they're fighting an uphill battle against a team that steals kids from their parents.

    Anyway, to each his own. Mes que un club

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    nah i think buying more than four players will be a bit too much. unless we buy more than four and no one's gonna play actually. the team is balanced right now, i thought it wouldn't be, considering how many years we've wasted, but actually rebuilding current barcelona wouldn't benefit us. we should slowly inject new blood in the team, starting with a fullback, a gk and prolly a midfielder. then, in a year or a bit more we should get another midfielder and a right-back. and continue at this pace, slowly but surely. buying 7 players is no good man. barca is not ruined, i was thinking the same thing last year but no, this year barca is playing well under tata, we don't need HUGE changes, only minor changes but the improvement will be huge. that's my humble opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lomar1o View Post
    nah i think buying more than four players will be a bit too much. unless we buy more than four and no one's gonna play actually. the team is balanced right now, i thought it wouldn't be, considering how many years we've wasted, but actually rebuilding current barcelona wouldn't benefit us. we should slowly inject new blood in the team, starting with a fullback, a gk and prolly a midfielder. then, in a year or a bit more we should get another midfielder and a right-back. and continue at this pace, slowly but surely. buying 7 players is no good man. barca is not ruined, i was thinking the same thing last year but no, this year barca is playing well under tata, we don't need HUGE changes, only minor changes but the improvement will be huge. that's my humble opinion.


    We have no defence, a midfield whose running out of legs and a one dimensional attack. If there's one thing Barca is not it's balanced
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    We have no defence, a midfield whose running out of legs and a one dimensional attack. If there's one thing Barca is not it's balanced
    i doubt i'd be able to bring up strong arguments against your opinion, but clearly for me at least barca is better than last season. busquets and iniesta have been great overall, our defence has been leaky for years, and buying seven players won't change it. buying one and a decent one at that might change it tho'. our midfield is good enough. only xavi is weaker and well cesc is cesc, i never liked him, never will, yet somehow he has good stats, so even in that aspect our midfield is good. buying a cb, a midfielder and a gk will sort out our problems in my opinion. i hope i'm proven right tomorrow night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lomar1o View Post
    i doubt i'd be able to bring up strong arguments against your opinion, but clearly for me at least barca is better than last season. busquets and iniesta have been great overall, our defence has been leaky for years, and buying seven players won't change it. buying one and a decent one at that might change it tho'. our midfield is good enough. only xavi is weaker and well cesc is cesc, i never liked him, never will, yet somehow he has good stats, so even in that aspect our midfield is good. buying a cb, a midfielder and a gk will sort out our problems in my opinion. i hope i'm proven right tomorrow night.
    What are you 12 years old?

    Yeah its not hard to improve from 7-0......

    Defence is bad cause Puyol has been our new signing for 3 years now

    Midfield is so good we need 4 midfielders to get control these days sacrificing our attack

    Yes Good stats=good player. Football is so simple right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cule4life View Post
    What are you 12 years old?

    Yeah its not hard to improve from 7-0......

    Defence is bad cause Puyol has been our new signing for 3 years now

    Midfield is so good we need 4 midfielders to get control these days sacrificing our attack

    Yes Good stats=good player. Football is so simple right.
    How many players do you want Barcelona to sign in the summer?

    It feels to me like too many people on here started following Barcelona at the height of the Pep years and think that is the standard that Barcelona should always be at. That was a one off group of players managed by an absolute genius in an era where the other teams were poorer.

    This Barcelona sqaud is still very strong despite the areas that do need improved.

    The way some people talk about the team is a disgrace as they are still a brilliant group of players amongst the best squads in the world and light years ahead of some of the dross Barcelona have had in the last twenty years.

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    How many players do you want Barcelona to sign in the summer?

    It feels to me like too many people on here started following Barcelona at the height of the Pep years and think that is the standard that Barcelona should always be at. That was a one off group of players managed by an absolute genius in an era where the other teams were poorer.

    This Barcelona sqaud is still very strong despite the areas that do need improved.

    The way some people talk about the team is a disgrace as they are still a brilliant group of players amongst the best squads in the world and light years ahead of some of the dross Barcelona have had in the last twenty years.
    For years. That's the problem. You don't waste players like Messi and Iniesta. And that's what this board's been doing. And it wouldn't take much... just one top cb 2 years ago would have improved this squad a lot. And a better cm/dm than Song. It wasn't a herculean task, not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamDav1982 View Post
    How many players do you want Barcelona to sign in the summer?

    It feels to me like too many people on here started following Barcelona at the height of the Pep years and think that is the standard that Barcelona should always be at. That was a one off group of players managed by an absolute genius in an era where the other teams were poorer.

    This Barcelona sqaud is still very strong despite the areas that do need improved.

    The way some people talk about the team is a disgrace as they are still a brilliant group of players amongst the best squads in the world and light years ahead of some of the dross Barcelona have had in the last twenty years.
    Just because Barca haven't always been this successful doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to be though. Just because Pep is gone and much of that generation is now aging doesn't mean we should settle for going back to being second best. I don't think it's too high an ask at all.

    Yeah, some fans are arrogant and take this team for granted... of course you can't compare this season's results to some of the really poor results of the past. But at the same time, it's that kind of thinking ("at least it's not as bad as...") that can lead to trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamDav1982 View Post
    How many players do you want Barcelona to sign in the summer?.
    2CBs 1MF and 1 Striker. Maybe a defensive FB
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    Quote Originally Posted by cule4life View Post
    What are you 12 years old?

    Yeah its not hard to improve from 7-0......

    Defence is bad cause Puyol has been our new signing for 3 years now

    Midfield is so good we need 4 midfielders to get control these days sacrificing our attack

    Yes Good stats=good player. Football is so simple right.
    your arguments are silly and you don't even understand what i'm saying. so let me break it down for you, did our midfield outplay manchester city's midfield in both games? yes. did our midfield outplay real madrid's midfield in both games? yes. can you name a team with a better midfield than current barca? yeah, bayern and real, tho' the latter on the paper because in the game we outplayed them. we have better midfield than any other team apart from bayern, that's my opinion of course, but i can't be that far off from reality, right? what i said about fab having good stats didn't mean that fab is good, it meant that our midfield/attack is good since a crappy player like fab managed to get good stats. i dont like fab, in fact i hate him, i dont care how great his stats are, but his stats only speaks about the strength of the team, not about his individual possibilities. fab sucks. our midfield is worse than they were in the golden years, but if those memories didn't exist our midfield would be considered one of the best for you, which they indeed are. but i really want someone instead of fabregas. he is just killing it =))

    and our defence, what about it? it's not terrible, but it's not organized, if we get a cb who can be a leader thinks will be more calm at the back, or if pique/bartra learn to be leaders. do you think bayern has a better defence? bayern doesn't have a great defence in fact, but they are organized. do you think atletico have a better defence? they are better organized. we need to organize our defence as well. stop making it look like everyone is horrible. we need 1 great cb. that's it. i don't know about back up cb, i think masch is good enough as a sub. later we can buy a right-back and if masch leaves, puyol leaves, we can buy another cb. then we can think about buying a forward to replace sanchez.

    i don't know what you guys expect from current barca, but this isn't fifa or pes and bringing 5+ players won't do good.