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I hate them, but have to say I felt bad for Zirkzee the other night. He was poor but so was the rest of the team and he didn't deserve to be cheered off the park. No wonder he originally went to the dressing room rather than watch from the dug out. I don't think he is good enough, and their...

Figured so. Cheers. 2025 eh, where does that time go.

Fair enough. Yeah I seen you say that about the dressing room - I don't think he lost them either, the players are and were trying, they're just poor technically and physically. The idea they lack loads of effort is just a mask as their fans don't want to admit they lack ability - obviously...

I think he is probably a decent manager, and better than Ten Hag. However, this job is way too big for him and probably anyone else. They are unfixable.

United are the X Factor of football. Very popular but far fewer all-time greats and great football than all the clubs with a better history. People forget Man City were the biggest club in Manchester until the 50s, and that only three managers in total have won United's 20 titles. Without Busby...

Horatio. I have noticed you trying to claim Ten Hag was the scapegoat here, because they are still struggling. It's poor logic and grounded in bad faith. Just because the team is still struggling doesn't mean Ten Hag would be doing better. It isn't either/or. Ten Hag wasn't good enough, the...

Amorim and Ten Hag both seem clueless, and most of the team is terrible. The idea that the players are better than they're showing is only because they play for Man United. They're poor to mediocre players who nobody would bat an eyelid at if they played for Ipswich.

It's mainly their style of play that is similar - counter-attack and fast on transitions, don't control games but win the game in both boxes. Or did when United were good.

No surprise - United are very poor. Got an exact too. Climbing even higher @Temptation @Horatio @Fati_Future_BallonDor @KingLeo10 @Don Juan Laporta Estruch

None of those players they signed are any good. Called it in the summer when they were laughably acting like they had an 8.5 window before a ball was kicked. Maybe Yoro can become a top player but wouldn't surprise me if he's one of these players hyped as a kid and become a mediocrity as a...

Revisiting this. It's not out of the realms of possibility they get a CL spot. They've come onto a game recently.

Yeah agree with you both. Liverpool look well-placed to do well in next 5 years ie the rest of his prime. It's no guarantee Real Madrid will do better. Other than wage why does he wanna leave that? He's loved there as one of their own and they're a great team too.

He's underrated as fuck, right up there with the best of his generation. Seems to be forgotten overall in favour of Henry for example but he was definitely better for me.

Just seen I joined here on 18 December 2019. Exactly three years prior to him winning the World Cup.

Shagger.

You too mate, hope you are ok. Great to see you. I won't start a convo in here though as think Andresito tightening up these days on off-topic material. I will message you later.

You know my thoughts. R9 better peak, Cristiano Ronaldo better career obviously. I could go in to it a lot deeper but just heading out.

He's a good egg.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/great-strikers-historical-rankings.469830/ Good thread from Redcafe about strikers over the decades. Generally it is a good discussion. Though there's a few things I take issue with like a couple of C Ronaldo fanboys saying he was miles better in lots of...