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aw, man

idgaf tbh

..right, lol oot

thats true. well put fati

eh? why revert to attacks based on character and post history once more? we are just discussing ev here, in a civil way mind you, there is no need to muddy the waters with stuff like this

another way of putting this is that while i agree with your assessment of EV's merits and flaws, his success relative to our direct competitors (CL-repeating real) and the alternatives (the disasters that were setien and koeman) lead me to rate his time with barca (at least) as more than simply...

a three-year stint at a club like barcelona (or real, or bayern) is not something one can dismiss so easily. managers 'stick around' for much less time than players (at least generally) so its not clear to me that it can put so casually. zidane's 3 peat was also during three years. but you...

by that logic messi hasnt proven anything because he only achieved in a stacked barca and a solid argentina and until he proves he can do it elsewhere he doesnt qualify as elite. which another way of walking into the old CR-fan trap of 'he has done it in other leagues' if you will not deny...

like messi 'took another job' in france and flopped beyond measure? :lol: please be consistent with your standards

well, if your point is that EV isnt on guardiola's level, well, of course--but i never claimed such a thing. my point is that given the group of players at his disposal (the same as setien and koeman within the same time span--im not counting tata because he had a different first 11 with prime...

ive never discounted that defeat and at least domestically it was his worst performance. but if we are going to suffer big defeats to rivals, id rather do it in the context of a SC than in a proper league clasico

as opposed to who, tho? ev did better (and i mean a whole lot better) than anyone else who we tried in this period up until now, and even Xavi hasnt won anything. i think these criticisms of EV are fair and basically correct, but in the context of what was possible at the time and what the...

for the good of the club the team and our promising youngsters messi should only ever be back at the camp nou as a guest of honour/spectator

good point! i think he did a fine job with Athletic

i find it really odd that the messi supporters here dont really rate EV im curious: why? my guess is that diminishing EV's achievement suggests that the successes we had under his tenure were (really, ultimately, in the last instant) due to messi, whose last (elite) years coincided with EV am...

oh i agree completely. at psg he is just sunk costs. if they were savvy businessmen they would ship him without delay

can u blame them? imagine paying that much cash each week in exchange for what--8 assists in L1? good for messi for swindling them like this. this is a historic robbery

in laporta we trust

hundred percent rooting for Liverpool because i hate bayern but i fear bayern will sweep pool :/

i rate EV very highly as a coach but i really dont think english football would suit him, and mostly because i doubt his english is very good (though I admit this is speculative) his best work has been and will be (if he coaches again) in spain