MonteCuler
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Rassvet
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Polymarket and betting sites have it at 75-25More like 65-35.
Nole was completely exhausted today. Recovery takes more time at his age.
The thing with Alcaraz is that he has a higher ceiling than Sinner but lower floor. Sinner is more consistent. Alcaraz on his day is simply unplayable and genius. But there are days when Alcaraz is totally off it, making unforced errors and not finding his spots.
It'll depend on which version of Alcaraz turns up on Sunday. If Peak Alcaraz turns up, then Nole has no chance. If an inconsistent, hit and miss Alcaraz turns up, it's a 50-50 game with Djokovic having the experience and mentality in his favour.
Alcaraz at his worst plays somewhat like a Peak Kyrgios which is beatable for Nole.
Unless Alcanaldo is carrying an injury, I'd probably have it at like 85-15. Djokovic needs to play a perfect game like the 24 Olympics where he holds serve and then comes up clutch in the tiebreakers or on 1-2 break chances and closes it out quickly. If he slips at all and has to win a longer 4-5 setter, it's probably done.
GloryHunter 007
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Actually sucks that Nole is that much of a dog according to betting sites and reality, also. Time waits for no one, sadly.
Messigician
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Alvarez looks injured even if he doesn’t say it
Tight muscles are no joke
Tight muscles are no joke
MagIX
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Sinner..75% first serves in, 26 aces to 12, and with the same number of unforced errors he won 30 more points; 18 break points to 8, yet he finished the match with only 12 more points overall. That means he lost almost all the crucial points (only 2 break points converted).
And in the 5. set, once the match goes past 4 hours he always loses.
And in the 5. set, once the match goes past 4 hours he always loses.
Richard.H
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It's written in the stars, Djokovic will win. He will capitalize on the opportunity. I think Djokovic knows that the chances of him reaching a slam finals is very low. This is his best chance. Both Sinner and Alcaraz were/are not in great shape for this tournament.
Djokovic also had two players default on him on his path. He is definitely the most recovered/the freshest out of the two.
Djokovic also had two players default on him on his path. He is definitely the most recovered/the freshest out of the two.
Temptation
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Great point Richard 👍🏻
Windhook
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That's experience. 15 years more of professional tennis. Sinner is still green in the top game, came to prominence in the last 18 months.
Temptation
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RL9 congratulates Nole
Temptation
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I hate that we didn't get a fair and proper Federer Djokovic rivalry.
When Federer was dominating H2H:
He was in his peak. Nole was still improving.
When Djokovic was dominating H2H:
He was in his peak. Federer was ageing.
With Nadal and Djokovic we got to see a proper prime vs prime rivalry.
Djokovic and Nadal have a similar philosophy but Prime Federer was extremely aggressive and had the most "varied arsenal" ever.
The most clueless I have seen Prime Djokovic look is in those few games against Peak Stanimal who was basically playing like a lesser version of Prime Roger but with a shittier serve and net game.
When Federer was dominating H2H:
He was in his peak. Nole was still improving.
When Djokovic was dominating H2H:
He was in his peak. Federer was ageing.
With Nadal and Djokovic we got to see a proper prime vs prime rivalry.
So do you agree with my take/theory that Prime Federer would be a tougher opponent for Djokovic than Prime Nadal.
Djokovic and Nadal have a similar philosophy but Prime Federer was extremely aggressive and had the most "varied arsenal" ever.
The most clueless I have seen Prime Djokovic look is in those few games against Peak Stanimal who was basically playing like a lesser version of Prime Roger but with a shittier serve and net game.
KingLeo10
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Peak to peak:
Nadal beats Roger (we already saw this during 05-08). Bad match-up mostly. I do think Nadal’s speed and athleticism in this time period were unmatched in history of tennis.
Djokovic beats Nadal (their peaks overlapped almost fully, with Nadal peaking earlier but Djokovic outlasting by 3-5 years). I think at this point it’s clear Djokovic is slightly better overall peak to peak.
Never got to see Roger v Djokovic peak to peak but I always thought Roger would beat him if both same age. Elite serve AND net game is Djokovic’s main weakness. But Djokovic is much more resilient on big points. Still, Roger clears him unless it’s super slow courts.
I think more and more Roger had the misfortune of setting the standard. Like prime Barca (3-4 CLs), he won less on paper than Nadal or Djokovic. But that’s always the curse of the one who sets the standard versus who chases. Prime Barca is definitely more iconic compared to RM despite 2-3 less CLs in that prime stretch.
Temptation
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The interesting thing is that once Federer started using his neo backhand with a larger racket in 2017, he kinda dominated Nadal and completely neutralized his topspin.
What could've been........
Roger should have won more between the 2012 and 2017 period. It's crazy considering how great grandpa Federer was after 2016.
Should have won atleast a couple of slams in that dull 4 year period.
The neo backhand and larger racket being introduced so late into his career makes me so mad as a fan. He could have been sitting on 25 slams easily and realistically.
KingLeo10
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I have a different view regarding the neo backhand and racquet head. It definitely helped and would have made it more competitive during his prime but Nadal was much worse in his speed and movement compared to 05-13 (but really until 05 to 08-09 was his absolute athletic best).
It was like 9-2 in GS matches H2H until AO17 which was a 5 setter. And then they traded on FO and Wimbledon in 19. And overall like 10-4. It’s just a bad match up.
Roger easily clears 25 if he’s the one chasing the benchmark of 20. He was at like 16 when Djokovic had 1 lol. Djokovic (and Nadal) built their entire regimen for fitness standards to mental strength around “surpassing” him.
KingLeo10
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For the record, I think similar applies to old legends like Sampras or Agassi or even Borg or McEnroe.
Slams were much less hyped back then. And AO wasn’t even a serious slam and was skipped by most top players.
Sampras’ true ceiling is around 15-18 slams, Agassi 10-15, McEnroe like 10-15, and Borg somewhere near 15.
Slams were much less hyped back then. And AO wasn’t even a serious slam and was skipped by most top players.
Sampras’ true ceiling is around 15-18 slams, Agassi 10-15, McEnroe like 10-15, and Borg somewhere near 15.
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