delancey
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Fake news. A club’s fortunes is determined by leadership and decision makers at the top. It always starts at the top and moves down. Without the right person at the top, we’d have ended up like MU.
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MonteCuler
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To me there is no logic in this
President, sporting director can make a great, fantastic, balanced squad but there is only so much they can do. What happens on the pitch, in those particural given moments, is what decides everything. Whether strikers converts the chance, whether defender stops a dangerous attacks, whether GK makes a great save. Many examples of this in football history
Similar to that you can make what looks like a shit team but some players just take matters into their own hands on the pitch and perform at an absurd level, which gives good results. There are examples of this too. Like for example when we almost won the treble in 2019 with horrible squad planning just because Messi was on god mode all season
delancey
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Who hires the manager? Who is in charge of instilling the culture and winning mentality at the club? The managerial appointment is important, for he is the one in charge of raising the level of the players and instilling that “can do” attitude. Laporta has proven, time and again, his instinct for killer managerial appointments. Now take this instinct and multiply t across every position (minus Deco) at the club.
If you believe that success starts at the bottom and moves upwards… we just won’t agree.
jamrock
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This guy gets it.
I was trying to tell a few on year the importance of leadership and the characteristics one needs to have from way back in the day, when laporta first came in and was about to leave.
The president is the most important figure in any club or company.
You give a idiot president Messi and we saw what barto did with that lol
MonteCuler
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I don't think it starts or ends anywhere. All are equally responsible and important to it.
Look at it through the lens of a country. I honestly don't think that the fortune of my country is decided single handedly by my president or prime minister. For good or for bad.
They can give their orders, laws, all they want. But what do they mean if people are not gonna follow them? Nothing, literally nothing.
Same for a club. President can do whatever he wants, what does it matter if players fail on the pitch? If someone makes just one tiny mistake, it can change a whole season completely.
MonteCuler
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You are contradicting yourself here. Barto actually won quite a few things as a president just because Messi was incredible on the pitch. 4 leagues, 4 cups, a CL trophy and very close to a second CL trophy. Doesn't change the fact he was one of our worst presidents though. Players can make great president look bad or shit president look good, simply because they decide what happens on the pitch. But then the leadership decides WHO will be on the pitch, so it's an endless cycle where everybody takes part.
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delancey
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Are you a communist? The way you are assigning equal importance to everyone at an institution is eerily similar to communistic sympathy… hence why I ask.
Do you vote left or right?
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MonteCuler
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No I'm not
Fuck off with the question below. I have enough proof that discussing anything political on this forum will lead people astray. Maybe shouldn't have brough up the country analogy. Also needless to say where I live political matters are far more complex than the 'left' and 'right' of the west
This is common sense, not communism
delancey
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The reason why I ask is because you seem to be taking away any individualism from success, as if the right leadership/mentality couldn’t possibly inspire great accomplishment. And you’re from Montenegro, which was communistic during the Cold War (1945-1991), so my question is more than fair.
Do you believe that environment influences how we think?
MonteCuler
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I don't I simply think we should give the recognition to more than one individual. What Laporta did in his second term is phenomenal, and I'm actually not his critic - not the most vocal supporter either, but I don't dislike his work.
But how the 24/25 season was set up, we shouldn't have achieved everything we did. And before the season began, a great majority of the fanbase thought opposite would happen and Madrid would dominate. You could say the same for this season. But it's what happened on the pitch that changed everything. Flick absolutely transformed the team and built a machine with what he's had, that's a big part of the reason we are where we are.
Again you don't understand things were way more complex here than that. Real communism in ex yugoslavia died with Tito, probably before that too. Those "communists" of 80s and 90s have proven with time what they are, changing ideology and narratives like socks, simply based on what suits them and their position the most. This is why we've learnt not to stick to single viewpoints because not even our politicians do. In the west politicians have clearly defined stances and ideologies and it's very rare they shift from them. Around here it would be nothing unusual for Trump to shift to Democrats if they become the more dominant party and it means he keeps the position and keeps earning money.
jamrock
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Nah because with better leadership we would have won more.
We wasted messi's final years in Europe because we had poor leadership.
delancey
Senior Member
You give credit to Flick, and I wholeheartedly agree… what a wonderful manager he is! But remember that before Laporta hired him, he had been fired from the German national team and many were laughing at his managerial capabilities. Laporta is the leader who appointed Flick when NO ONE saw his potential. Laporta did the same with Guardiola and Rijkaard.
And that’s my point. You say… Laporta wouldn’t have been able to do it without Flick or Guardiola, or their players, while I say that none of it would have happened without Laporta’s vision and ability to hire the right managers and staff. It starts at the top and this absolutely matters.
JamDav1982
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Barca would have won more with Ronaldinho also if they had surrounded him with the right players and coaches but lost control of him.
There are a ton of factors involved.
Laportas own decisions.. good and bad.
What Laporta inherited.. good and bad.
The expectations have also been adusted due to the situation inherited.
It matters how the club is left also.. if it is all for short term and Barca have turn to external investment before or after leaves that matters also.
There are a ton of factors involved.
Laportas own decisions.. good and bad.
What Laporta inherited.. good and bad.
The expectations have also been adusted due to the situation inherited.
It matters how the club is left also.. if it is all for short term and Barca have turn to external investment before or after leaves that matters also.
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