Luis Enrique

delancey said:

My main point is that before Flick, our style of play was horrendous and incapable of challenging anyone in Europe (not even the Europa League). Fast forward to the Flick-ball era, and we are one of the hottest teams in Europe while challenging anyone to a great game of football. In fact, even when we go down a goal, we always have the sensation that we can “bounce back” which we hadn’t enjoyed for a very long time before Flick. Zero Flick transfers. Beautiful football.

He has turned us into a beast again, and I very much doubt that anyone wants to face Barcelona in a knockout competition these days. If you disagree, fair enough. I can’t change your mind.

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You're dodging the initial point of debate - who plays the better football? You can write 10 essays on how Flick turned us around, but reality is we are not playing a better football than PSG right now.

Better is a matter of taste, by better one can mean more entertaining or better as in better tactically.

PSG is the latter, Barca is the former.

malvolio said:

You're dodging the initial point of debate - who plays the better football? You can write 10 essays on how Flick turned us around, but reality is we are not playing a better football than PSG right now.

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I think we are playing some of the best football out of all the top teams rn.

I swear working with MSN and amigos shaped him as a coach.

In terms of there were things he put up with them in that team that would never again.

Even after winning a treble.

Miss you mister

For once after such a long time we have a promising project with manager who knows exactly what he wants, with players of extreme quality and huge ambitions

And all people do is look at the neighbor's backyard and moan... oh look at how nice their midfield is, oh look how they control possesion, look at Nuno Mendes, Vitinha. We need this at home

The truth is, neighbor gets money from Qatari sheiks and can buy whoever the fuck they want. Every position, they bought 10 flops before settling in with these extraordinary footballers. But for them, it's no problem

And they play well, but we are not scrubs either. We held our ground against them in our direct encounter. For 30 minutes they were on ropes, and we had a lead. Then they took control of the possesion and even then we had Olmo missing an open net, Nuno evading a clear cut second yellow that would completely change the game and many more cases which would probably lead the game in our favour had they materialized

Right now PSG is the better team. Yes. And they showed it in the game. They controlled possesion whole second half and eventually got the result too. But we are probably the 2nd right before them. And financially speaking, that should not be the case. With how poor our squad planning is, with how poor some of the leading players in this project are, that should never be the case. But we have one man having us in that position, raising our standards to a new level, and I believe we should trust that man and give him all the respect he deserves

Some may believe this is not true and the ceiling of this team is bigger than what is shown under Flick. But I guess we will see, when Flick leaves. We will see if Raphinha will still be one of the top forwards. If Lewandowski will be sent to Arabia in matter of months. We will see if defense will be flawless and if just system was the problem

But when Flick leaves, this club will probably be in a much better situation. We will have won so many things and our situation will have improved. And then people will say "oh but Flick could do more with this team". But reality is he built this team. From a trophyless, unambitious, europa league team to a team of treble aspirations and reputation of the most deadly, unforgiving offensive force there is

This team must certainly wasn't a Europa League team when he took over & we won a league title 12 months before he came and was 2nd the season before he took over and played this very psg equal before a red card if we would be in the CL SF.

Raphinha the season before flick.
37 games, 23 Goal contributions, if not for injures would most likely have 30+ goal contributions.

He was fine before flick, if flick leaves he'll be fine after..


I like every barca fan appreciate what flick is doing.

But Jesus Christ some need to relax with some of the nonsense.

Europea league team wtf 😂

Raphinha was frustrated under Xavi and was looking to leave.

Pedri another who improved one he left as Flick understood where to play him.

Xavi planning was poor for how much money he got to spend.

jamrock said:

This team must certainly wasn't a Europa League team when he took over & we won a league title 12 months before he came and was 2nd the season before he took over and played this very psg equal before a red card if we would be in the CL SF.

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Okay, about this

1) We won a league title WHILE playing in the Europa League, and getting destroyed by Man Utd
2) Before that, we also got destroyed by Frankfurt in the same competition. Hence we were a Europa League team. We played a CL season after that, which happens to all EL teams. And then they are often out of their depth and get humiliated by a proper side, just like we did
3) No, it was not THIS psg. Everybody knows the difference between PSG in Enrique's first 1.5 year and after is enormous and those two teams are not comparable. Most players have massively improved and their game has gone several levels above. Either way, we still managed to get humiliated - the way we managed to do it changes very little.

jamrock said:

Raphinha the season before flick.
37 games, 23 Goal contributions, if not for injures would most likely have 30+ goal contributions.

He was fine before flick, if flick leaves he'll be fine after..

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I don't get you. 23 g/a in 37 games is definitely not something to brag about. And you know that for every player performance, there is stats and there is the actual quality of their performances. Raphinha's stats were bad and his general play was nothing special. The good thing is he managed to score some crucial goals, both in league winning season and toward the end of 23/24 season. But scoring important goals doesn't mean you had a good season, consistency is the most important thing.

Raphinha is a player who benefited massively with Flick's arrival. There is no doubt he will be a good or, as you say, fine player in any system. But whether he will be world class and a strong ballon d'or candidate is not a question - only under Flick he can reach that status.

MonteCuler said:

Okay, about this

1) We won a league title WHILE playing in the Europa League, and getting destroyed by Man Utd
2) Before that, we also got destroyed by Frankfurt in the same competition. Hence we were a Europa League team. We played a CL season after that, which happens to all EL teams. And then they are often out of their depth and get humiliated by a proper side, just like we did
3) No, it was not THIS psg. Everybody knows the difference between PSG in Enrique's first 1.5 year and after is enormous and those two teams are not comparable. Most players have massively improved and their game has gone several levels above. Either way, we still managed to get humiliated - the way we managed to do it changes very little.

I don't get you. 23 g/a in 37 games is definitely not something to brag about. And you know that for every player performance, there is stats and there is the actual quality of their performances. Raphinha's stats were bad and his general play was nothing special. The good thing is he managed to score some crucial goals, both in league winning season and toward the end of 23/24 season. But scoring important goals doesn't mean you had a good season, consistency is the most important thing.

Raphinha is a player who benefited massively with Flick's arrival. There is no doubt he will be a good or, as you say, fine player in any system. But whether he will be world class and a strong ballon d'or candidate is not a question - only under Flick he can reach that status.

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23 goal contribution in 37.

Raphinha stats were bad, yea okay 😂 😂.

I challenge you to name 10 wingers with a better radio than that, in the season he put up those numbers are even last seasonm

I promise you, you won't be able to 😂.

I don't even know what you're trying to say with E.L and league title, and E.L again.

I doubt even you do.

I stand corrected it wasn't this PSG team,it was the A PSG team plus mbappe, we lost to a PSG with two nobody's up front lol

Your flaw is whenever you try to make a point, you need to do unnecessary exaggerating to try and land the plane.

When flick took us over,we were in the CL,
The season before that CL
The season before that CL.

It's cool believing in flick and giving him credit, but I'm just being real, you type a whole lot of nonsense in there as well

The reality is Raphinha was thinking about leaving as did not like playing under Xavi or think he was being treated fairly.

23 goals/assists is good.. not sure can be couting assists on own goals from Antwerp mind you or goals v Barbarasto in cup though really.

But the reality is he was not as important to Barca that season as likes of Ferran was last season with 26 goals/assists in less minutes in games that also won trophies.

That is about where he was at before Flick.

Xavi created this team, Flick took it to another level, Lucho will take it to the top.

TheStig said:

Xavi created this team, Flick took it to another level, Lucho will take it to the top.

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This

I'm only afraid when/if Lucho comes and Deco, Laporta & co tell him he has to crsate a dominant possesion side, strong in attack in defense, with players of technique level Kounde, Martin, Ferran, Raphinha, Rashford etc... he will tell them to fuck off and look elsewhere

These Barça DNA projects require a financially stable situation. They require that if you have a player who can't control a ball, you are ready to go to the market and spend 50-60 on some top class talent when the coach wants. Look at what Pep, Arteta, Maresca, Lucho himself do. If they come with those demands to Deco he will show them some academy kid and say here is your new signing, or a player coming back from injury lol