Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?

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serghei

serghei

Senior Member
Meh, it's subiective. Raphinha looked a standout EPL player at Leeds for me.

I remember he had many offers at the time, Chelsea, Arsenal, Barcelona. Certainly made a big impression.

Wether someone calls it world class potential or whatever that means, who cares? Those that didn't believe in him were wrong anyway.
 
Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
jamrock said:
Who da fuck said he was world class at Leeds dodo bird.

Your logic is big clubs showed interest in X player.

X player went to big club, so he's no world.

3 big clubs showed interest in raphinha, he went to big club and is now world class.

Using your dodo bird logic
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No, that is your logic with Kounde
I never said big clubs showed interest in X player means X player is world-class.
That is silly to even say

Raphina is not world-class. He is a tier below.
We gave you so many examples of the difference
Accept it and move on with your life.
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
Raphinha was every bit as good as olsie at Leeds but that's not what makes him WC.

His 15 points winning contributions to a league title isn't what makes him WC.

Him average 20 GC for two years at Barca isn't what makes him WC.

13 goals & 9 assist in the CL is what makes him world class.

34 goals & 26 assist all comps is what makes him world class.

Snowing up in big moments is what makes him WC

Birdy just got caught saying some dumb shit about olsie and isak being world class, which would only be based on what they put up last season, and is trying to do mental gymnastics after that 😂😂.

But even when he does raphinha still either matches or beats them
 
Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
jamrock said:
Raphinha was every bit as good as olsie at Leeds but that's not what makes him WC.
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No he was not.
Temptation already explained it to you, and it is common opinion among EPL fans that have watched the league the last 5 years
As much as you distort reality, it won't happen


It's also funny that you and Serghei have the audacity to express strong opinions on how good Raphina was at Leeds when you were not even watching EPL
 
T

Temptation

Well-known member
jamrock said:
I don't even understand what you're trying to argue here.

You used salah numbers to make him world class for years, certainly wasn't overall game for the last 2+ seasons.

But with raphinha it's different?

You're trying to argue two sides of a argument and because that's you're not making sense.

You used wirtz numbers to say he was WC at Leverkusen, so only went Liverpool players put up numbers they are WC for everyone else they need to play like prime Messi?
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What's different? Raphinha was indeed World Class last season.

Did you even read what I wrote?
 
Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
jamrock said:
Raphinha was every bit as good as olsie at Leeds but that's not what makes him WC.

His 15 points winning contributions to a league title isn't what makes him WC.

Him average 20 GC for two years at Barca isn't what makes him WC.

13 goals & 9 assist in the CL is what makes him world class.

34 goals & 26 assist all comps is what makes him world class.

Snowing up in big moments is what makes him WC

Birdy just got caught saying some dumb shit about olsie and isak being world class, which would only be based on what they put up last season, and is trying to do mental gymnastics after that 😂😂.

But even when he does raphinha still either matches or beats them
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Look at your mirror and you will find the only one saying dumb shit in here

Why are you even citing numbers from Raphina's last season?

You have serious trouble with reading comprehension and basic argumentation.
If you were my student, you will have gotten a straight F in Logic 101
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
Temptation said:
What's different? Raphinha was indeed World Class last season.

Did you even read what I wrote?
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Which makes him world class this season
Which makes him world class period.

You're talking out the two side of your mouth is my issue.

He's very good before last season and world class after, thats what serghei and I have been saying.

Your saying he is, but he isn't.
He has good numbers, but he's not X
He works hard but but.

Where were your buts with McAllister, Dutch dude, salah when you were calling them world class? Is my point and question.

When you were telling us wirtz is world class because of his numbers, with no caveats.
 
SeloBarca

SeloBarca

Senior Member
Loki said:
Flick's tactic won't work after 10 games, as teams will prepare....
Flick's tactic won't work second half of the season, as teams will prepare....
Flick's tactic won't work in crucial games, as top teams will prepare....
Flick's tactic won't work next season, as teams will prepare....

Then after the first lost title somewhere in the future: "Ha, I told you so!!!"

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"Ha, I told you so!!!"
 
Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
jamrock said:
Which makes him world class this season
Which makes him world class period.

You're talking out the two side of your mouth is my issue.

He's very good before last season and world class after, thats what serghei and I have been saying.

Your saying he is, but he isn't.
He has good numbers, but he's not X
He works hard but but.

Where were your buts with McAllister, Dutch dude, salah when you were calling them world class? Is my point and question.

When you were telling us wirtz is world class because of his numbers, with no caveats.
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Dude, you are getting tiresome as well, because you refuse to take your L, like Serghei

The difference between world-class player and a merely top player is explained to you many times above.
Care to read.
 
KingLeo10

KingLeo10

Senior Member
Of course Baljeet is in here twerking for Birdy who is up to his usual anti-Barca gimmick.

Raphinha has had atleast 2 world class seasons, perhaps 3.
 
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Temptation

Well-known member
jamrock said:
Which makes him world class this season
Which makes him world class period.

You're talking out the two side of your mouth is my issue.

He's very good before last season and world class after, thats what serghei and I have been saying.

Your saying he is, but he isn't.
He has good numbers, but he's not X
He works hard but but.

Where were your buts with McAllister, Dutch dude, salah when you were calling them world class? Is my point and question.

When you were telling us wirtz is world class because of his numbers, with no caveats.
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Depends.

If Raphinha doesn't perform this season, then it's just a purple patch/one off season. If he's still on the same level then he's World Class.

For now, you can call him World Class because of last season which was phenomenal.

Mac Allister isn't world class. Never was. He was very good last season and is dogshit this season. Gravenberch is better than him. This forum will always hype up Messi's mates. Look at Enzo who's a huge flop at Chelsea (although he's been better lately) but nobody here criticizes him.

Who's the Dutch dude?

Salah was world class for years throughout his prime. It's not even a debate.

Wirtz had 2 world class seasons at Leverkusen, winning the best player in his league and leading them to a historic invincible season as the undisputed main man. If he flops at Liverpool, he won't be World Class. But based on his Leverkusen career, he's World Class.

You need atleast 2 seasons to be sure but you can definitely call Raphinha World Class now until he proves otherwise. Nobody here has defended Raphinha more than me. Even under Xavi.
 
KingLeo10

KingLeo10

Senior Member
Meanwhile Baljeet has the audacity to say Florian Wirtz had 2 world class seasons at Leverkusen :lol:

Raphinha had 21 G + A in CL last season. Florian won't get that in his whole career. Fuck outta here :lol:
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
Olise the two seasons before joining Bayern
10 goals 6 assist, 19 games
2 goals 11 assist 40 games.

Raphinha two seasons before joining Barca
11 goals 3 assist 36 games
8 goals 11 assist 38 games

Stunning
While playing for a worse team.

mind you all this is irrelevant to why he's WC, but just for kicks.
 
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