Rebels Blaugranes
Breško
If Messi cant get a consensus for best ever,then no one can.
Virgil van Dijk
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Maradona37
Well-known member
I don't think he can be the best ever. If you class Beckenbauer as a CB or sweeper, which he generally was, he is in a class of his own.
Big Virgil isn't that far off the Maldinis, Baresis and Nestas though imo. Which is incredible praise for him.
KingLeo10
Senior Member
Rebels Blaugranes
Breško
I have him,too. You misunderstood.Nice try. The majority have him as GOAT
You can keep crying though
Maradona37
Well-known member
Only Maradona is a realistic competitor. Pele third.Nice try. The majority have him as GOAT
You can keep crying though
After that, there's noone on their or especially his level.
Rebels Blaugranes
Breško
I said,if people cant agree about Messi,when its abudantly clear ,then they wont agree about Van Dijk,also.
Rebels Blaugranes
Breško
No one will take me seriously after my trolling days.
The internet never forgets. Literally.
The internet never forgets. Literally.
Maradona37
Well-known member
I know. But people who don't consider Messi top 2 ever (and likely top 1 due to superior achievements to Maradona, who I think is equally talented)? Then they are being disingenuous as @KingLeo10 implies.
As good as Virgil is, it's reasonable to say he's not top 5 CBs ever. It is not reasonable to say Messi is not top 2 or 3 ever (and most likely top player ever).
Rebels Blaugranes
Breško
people who don't see no one is close to Messi are being disingenuous.
There.
No one will take me seriously though,because I was the biggest troll here.
Maradona37
Well-known member
But yes, I get your point. You're saying that even if Messi who is better in his area than Virgil has some who don't consider him GOAT, then Virgil has zero chance of it too.
Maradona37
Well-known member
Maradona is close, Pele is class but a little below.
You can debate between those three, but ultimately Messi is more talented than Pele and has achieved more than Maradona. He has to take GOAT title due to being most talented (or equal with Diego) player of all time and most accomplishments of the three candidates.
Anyway, off topic.
Rebels Blaugranes
Breško
I really regret my past on here.
Van Dijk,at this rate,will literally go down as #1. Every day he seems to step up in the rankings.
There will never be a consensus,because if Messi doesn't have one,no one CAN. In any sport. Literally.
Am I saying it wrong?
Maradona37
Well-known member
He won't. Nobody will overtake Beckenbauer.
It's splitting hairs - the vast majority consider Messi the GOAT, other than oddball, bitter Ronaldo fanboys. There's no real such thing as a consensus. If 80 percent of people consider you the best, you likely are.
Messi is far more consensus GOAT than Van Dijk would ever be consensus GOAT CB. I would say very very few consider him as good as Franz or Paolo or Franco, but most consider Leo better than Diego or Edson.
I love Van Dijk as a player, just being honest about his place in the pantheon.
Rebels Blaugranes
Breško
"pantheon of all time greats" awesome line
Messi could retain world cup and people would say Pele has 3.
That's why I never participate in debates in any sport in real life,ever.
I have my best/greatest nonsense,everyone agrees with me and says I did it fairly and that's the end of it.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
Well-known member
Nice try. The majority have him as GOAT
You can keep crying though
If he wins the WC in 2026 and shows finally the world he can win big titles without the best team itw, then he will get the GOAT vote from me but until then he is one of many GOAT lvl players (Maradona, Pele, CR7, Lord Bentdner) 😬
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