7 - Ferran Torres

serghei said:

50m for Torres in this market is too low. I would never sell if the package can't hit 70.

Personally, I'd keep all the playere that had good seasons under Flick, Torres and Fermin included. Their progression ark is not finished yet.

The fuck did Cunha and Mbeumo do to be worth more than Torres who was actually decisive in many games vs top teams last season? Enough with this nonsense.

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the thing is he is a sub-player and its very rare that you pay 70m for a player who doesnt even get a starter spot

his performances have been insane but with this role i doubt clubs would pay more than 50m

30-40m is realistic, 50m+ would be super

Fati_Future_BallonDor said:

the thing is he is a sub-player and its very rare that you pay 70m for a player who doesnt even get a starter spot

his performances have been insane but with this role i doubt clubs would pay more than 50m

30-40m is realistic, 50m+ would be super

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Yes, and the club doesn't need to sell a player that contributes. Just to buy other players that may contribute less than him for probably more money.

Besides, his profile is good for us. Technical player that can also play for others and is not just a poacher or a finisher. His associative play is above most players of his age on 9 position.

He’s a sub player for Barca that had three of the best forwards in the world.

Would be a starter for plenty of clubs that had paid bigger fees for worse players before.

serghei said:

Yes, and the club doesn't need to sell a player that contributes. Just to buy other players that may contribute less than him for probably more money.

Besides, his profile is good for us. Technical player that can also play for others and is not just a poacher or a finisher. His associative play is above most players of his age on 9 position.

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yep i agree, should keep him

I think though his overall play was criticised a lot here, he had many matches where he was crap but scored his goal

imo its ok as long as he continues to score and win as many points as he did last season

Ideally you keep Ferran and get Flick to work his magic on the next in line, someone aged 20-23.

Lamine - 17
Ferran - 25
Raphinha - 28
Lewandowski - 38

You get the picture. Now Ronny Bargain could be that guy.

You never know. But ideally a leftie since the transfer formally known as Nico, died.

Depends, vs Madrid in the last Clasico he had a quiet match as a scorer, but set 3 nice assists for Garcia, Yamal, and raphinha. As usual, there are some players that need an inspiring manager to hit a next level. Flick is that type of manager, for attackers at least.

Ferran is a player all have to keep an eye on next season. He's close to starting position based on form.

Would be retarded to sell him if we can't even identify one decent forward target right now. With him gone we would need 2.

serghei said:

Some people just like to moan and shit on players even after they play very well. Guy delivered the goods last season in the big games at a level many other players going for more money haven't done in their careers.

Ferran 1.5 seasons ago had lost value compared to when we signed him. Now he had a top season and his value came back up. It's exactly how it should be. Dembele had a low value 3-4 years ago. Now his value tripled in just 3 seasons and is pretty clearly over 100m.

This is football. Situation changes in time. Ferran is on the up in influence and performances. And the price has to match that trend.

Fecking hilarious to me. Ferran 30m and Zubimendi 65?

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This is what I mean about football fans having memories of goldfish and getting carried away with what might be some good form.

Nobody is moaning. They acknowledge he's done well in last several months. They're just not fanboying like you. You put down cunha and mbeumo earlier. They could flop but they've been better than Torres for longer. This could very well be nothing more than a burst of form for him. And as others said he might be being made to look better by flick .He's a risk for other clubs.

Take off the Barca tinted specs

We are looking to add, not subtract from the front line right now.

I wish diarra was a LW, but he's more a AM or RW.

Virgili has surprised, but I wonder if he's undersized for a the highest level.

Anyways Torres stays.

Maradona37 said:

This is what I mean about football fans having memories of goldfish and getting carried away with what might be some good form.

Nobody is moaning. They acknowledge he's done well in last several months. They're just not fanboying like you. You put down cunha and mbeumo earlier. They could flop but they've been better than Torres for longer. This could very well be nothing more than a burst of form for him. And as others said he might be being made to look better by flick .He's a risk for other clubs.

Take off the Barca tinted specs

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First lets see likes of Mbeumo and Cunha play high stakes games deep in competitions, and then can revisit it. They only played at bottom or mid-table clubs. There, if you finish in the middle of the pack in a season, it's considered a success.

For Barca, I'd never trade Ferran atm for either of those 2.

malvolio said:

This bum isn't worth 30M. Scoffing at 50M

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It's fucking laughable. 50m is hilarious enough but serghei in his infinite wisdom is saying he wouldn't take a penny less than 70m.

So many modern football fans can't see beyond the last few months. So reactionary. This guy is nothing special and just had a few good months imo. Can you imagine if clubs had been as knee-jerk about Rashford in 2023 as serghei wants them to be about Ferran? They'd be fucked right now.

No wonder so many clubs are fucked financially when so many average or below players go for sky high fees.

Demanding 70m for Ferran fucking Torres - pathetic levels of entitlement and crazy out of control money in football. People on here were mocking him relentlessly less than a year ago.

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First lets see likes of Mbeumo and Cunha play high stakes games deep in competitions, and then can revisit it. They only played at bottom or mid-table clubs. There, if you finish in the middle of the pack in a season, it's considered a success.

For Barca, I'd never trade Ferran atm for either of those 2.

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Yeah just pick out one thing of what I said.

And typical big club supporter mentality - 'if you don't play for an elite club in elite competitions you aren't that good'. I'd bet good money you haven't watched a single game of Wolves or Brentford in their time there. If it was up to guys like you football would only be contested by 7 or 8 clubs around Europe. Smaller clubs shouldn't even exist in your eyes.

It's no wonder teams like Liverpool are ahead of the curve with some transfers - guys like you would never have got bargains like Salah or Robbo because they had 'only' done it at Hull and Roma and not 'high stakes games deep in competitions'. There's loads of poor players at top clubs anyway so your argument absolutely sucks.

I have watched all three and have eyes - they're better players than him. They will probably fail at Man United but that's because they're a laughable club.

You should just give up because you cannot win this debate.

Maradona37 said:

Yeah just pick out one thing of what I said.

And typical big club supporter mentality - 'if you don't play for an elite club in elite competitions you aren't that good'. I'd bet good money you haven't watched a single game of Wolves or Brentford in their time there.

I have watched all three and have eyes - they're better players than him. They will probably fail at Man United but that's because they're a laughable club.

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Your argument makes little sense. Ferran is more accomplished. He has 16 goals for Spain for example. Mbeumo didn't even get selected to play for France, played for France at youth levels only. Cunha has less caps for Brazil than Ferran has goals for Spain.

It is a difference in level. Just because a player may disappoint at a much higher level of expectations, but it doesn't mean some guys that showed some good things at a lower level get more recognition.

Not everyone that does nicely at a mid-table club is gonna cope and deliver on 10x more pressure at a big club. Normally, the higher the expectations and the pressure, the more qualities you need to possess to deliver. I'd say Torres at this moment is proven more than Mbeumo and Cunha. Guy already played in semifinals and finals at the highest level. Even scored in some.

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Your argument makes little sense. Ferran is more accomplished. He has 16 goals for Spain for example. Mbeumo didn't even get selected to play for France, played for France at youth levels only. Cunha has less caps for Brazil than Ferran has goals for Spain.

It is a difference in level. Just because a player may disappoint at a much higher level of expectations, but it doesn't mean some guys that showed some good things at a lower level get more recognition.

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So what? Playing at international level isn't the be all and end all. Loads of players do ok for their country but aren't the same at club level. France have a lot of depth in attacking positions so no shame in that for Mbeumo.

Rate players with your eyes and by watching them - not by how many caps and goals they have for their countries. Yours is the argument that makes little sense. I'd also bet without researching that most of Torres's goals come against poor teams in qualifiers for Spain.

You honestly seem like the type of modern football glory hunter who thinks smaller clubs only exist to serve and bend over for Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man United, Liverpol, Bayern, Inter etc. Like the top of the food chain is all that matters.

Also, don't think I don't notice your selective quoting and arguing, which I despise and is always the way of the intellectually redundant. You deliberately omitted my point about Salah and Robbo as you know you cannot dispute it.

A massive open secret and key to success in football is finding bargains and players waiting to explode from smaller clubs or teams, and extracting max potential from them. There's been entire books written on it (Soccernomics and that Moneyball in baseball). Guys like you would have gone for Pogba in 2016 or 2017 over Salah (I know they're different positions and Salah moved the next summer but bear with me) because he 'had done it at a higher level and shown more in the big competitions'. How did that work out for Man United and Liverpool? Actually it's funny because Man United are finally trying to do something right by going for lesser names (although they're still paying a lot) who could break out at a bigger club, rather than PR merchants like Pogba who's a 'safe bet'.

In 2016 you'd have been saying Pogba is a far better and more accomplished player than Salah because he played in a Euro and CL Final You just totally lack foresight and only can see what has already happened.

You think teams should pay 70m for a very average player like Ferran Torres yet have the cheek to tell other people they're talking bollocks.

Mbeumo and Cunha are better than Torres, significantly more talented.

Nico is better than Olise.

Though Nico will now stagnate, due to playing around inferior players.

Just have to watch ball.