Club World Cup

jamrock

Senior Member
We do know this is Luis 2/3rd season in Paris and like the 20th year they've been trying to win the CL.

People like to talk about Barcola and doue, but forget muani and Ramos, that's over 150m on both and they just threw them away, both signed under Enrique I'm sure, at the very least one.

That's excluding another 200m plus on krava, doue, Barcola and dembele.

And that's not even getting into net spend, where they don't have to sell to buy.

We are top 3-5 clubs in transfers business in the last few years, easily.

Malvolio makes slapping his bias points away too easy, I've never seen a man try to put down a club he supposedly supports as much as this clown.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Doue 50m
Barcola 45
Krava 70
Dembele 50
Ramos 65 + 15
Mauni 80 + 15. 95m now on loan 😂.

Grand total of 395m since 23/24.

Yea PSG and Luis are great at transfers or do they just have unlimited money to throw at the wall until something sticks.

Let's compare that to Barca.

Lewa 45m
Raphinha 58m
Olmo 60m
Yamal 0.
Torres 60.

223m, so they had to spend an extra 172m euros, to get an attack that's no better than ours.

All fees can be verified at transfermarket
 

zanela

Senior Member

No, he won't.

For starters, Lamine is a teenager who's already overplayed. You can't have him play almost every game at his age AND also expect him to trackback and defend. The consequences can be damning - burnout, injuries, lack of efficacy. If there was a capable sub who would allow him to rest without a significant drop in quality, then sure a conversation can be had. But until then, we are a fairly young side to allow our starboy to take up positions in the opposition half sans worrying about defensive duties. He's our best creative attacker and he manages his minutes rather smartly on the pitch. Even Flick has alluded to the same.
 

Titan98

Active member
No, he won't.

For starters, Lamine is a teenager who's already overplayed. You can't have him play almost every game at his age AND also expect him to trackback and defend. The consequences can be damning - burnout, injuries, lack of efficacy. If there was a capable sub who would allow him to rest without a significant drop in quality, then sure a conversation can be had. But until then, we are a fairly young side to allow our starboy to take up positions in the opposition half sans worrying about defensive duties. He's our best creative attacker and he manages his minutes rather smartly on the pitch. Even Flick has alluded to the same.
A „capable sub without a significant drop in quality“ would cost 120 million😂
People also forget that lamine also wants to play 90 minutes a game.
He is not just our best creative attacker, he is the best worldwide, there is no one like him out there.
I think his pressing is not bad, (bad is the pressing of mbappe or vini) but not as good as dembele or doue but ok. If he works like this even when he is undisputed worldbest (for all fans i mean) it is very good.
The problem is just an injurie, we are very dependend on him so maybe there will be a few la liga games where he can rest.
Us not playing CWC is another important point for his health throughout the next season. Our guys can start train without stress where f.e. Real players also hsve 3 weeks holidays but have to work hard after this cause season will start soon. We have an advantage next year over the likes of psg, bayern and madrid
 

Birdy

Senior Member
- Then you really can't make a conclusion/determination on a player's level on that 1 game only vs the European Champion, especially if that's the only game you watched of a player in the past 2 years or so.

- You mentioned retain possession without moving = dribbling, Busi is well re-known for that so he should be up there, but he isn't and that's a fact.

- The only evidence that you provided to me is your perception of the eye test. Other people with their own eye tests who watched the same game and player concluded that Messi is still at the level + players' stats of Sofascore (I provided you the stats) + statement from well-known player. I know where I would slide towards.

- I already mentioned this, even if you take out dribbling, Messi is still one of the best passers, one of the best playmakers, one of the best shooters and etc. You don't need to be 18/19 season dribbling to make it at Europe. Even then, his dribbling as of this moment is still good enough.

- Tell me the point that I refused to acknowledge and let me tackle on that point.

- Squad Management is of course taking into account for every players' strength and weaknesses, and that is no different to assessing Messi's strength and weaknesses. In this case, the top management of the clubs need to make sensible decisions and if they don't, then of course they need to be accountable.

- Messi could not be competitive at club level past 2019 is false. He had 25G/21A in 19/20 season and won La Liga top scorer in 20/21 season

- I already mentioned a negative about Messi which is the acceleration, so the notion that you said that I don't acknowledge any negative about Messi is false already.

1) Indication, not conclusion

2) It's a fact that he isn't, but it's not a fact that he tried to do any of the things you mention. It's a typical negative hypothetical with no argumentative force what you try to say there

3) There is no stat for the aspect we are talking. That's why I relied on eye-test. If there are stats, I usually put the stats forward

4) Passer and playmaker yes (it's the same skill). I mentioned that. It's the only aspect of his game I think hasn't declined.

5) You refused to acknowledge that his dribbling run skill has declined. He can't get past the same number of people at the same speed and at the same time. Simple as that. He himself knows that, that's why he tries so much more these days to either simply retain possession or pass first time.

6) Yes, but that's off-topic. Messi's decline would have happened any way and has nothing to do with how Barca squad was managed

7) Many G/As at the expense of a functional system. I have discussed this extensively in the past. There is a reason why none of his teams past 2019 could be competitive in Europe.

8) You acknowledge something that even a blind man can see, and doesn't affect the core of the narrative you believe. You need more courage than that
 

Iniesta Ultra

Senior Member
Everybody is talking about endless money at PSG. But defense was already there when Lucho came in, bar Pacho of course. And the other top performers he bought weren't even that expensive, by today's standards.
Nothing Barca couldn't swing, but we blew 120M on Ferran + Olmo instead of scouting for likes of Kvara, Barcola, Doue, Neves etc
Doue 50m
Barcola 45
Krava 70
Dembele 50
Ramos 65 + 15
Mauni 80 + 15. 95m now on loan 😂.

Grand total of 395m since 23/24.

Yea PSG and Luis are great at transfers or do they just have unlimited money to throw at the wall until something sticks.

Let's compare that to Barca.

Lewa 45m
Raphinha 58m
Olmo 60m
Yamal 0.
Torres 60.

223m, so they had to spend an extra 172m euros, to get an attack that's no better than ours.

All fees can be verified at transfermarket

Donkey's shit compared to Kvara. Rags is on crynaldo's trajectory when at same ages, well below GOAT level much less current Demb. Doue despite being a show pony still has much better finishing than ferret's first couple seasons.
 

soul24rage

Senior Member
1) Indication, not conclusion

2) It's a fact that he isn't, but it's not a fact that he tried to do any of the things you mention. It's a typical negative hypothetical with no argumentative force what you try to say there

3) There is no stat for the aspect we are talking. That's why I relied on eye-test. If there are stats, I usually put the stats forward

4) Passer and playmaker yes (it's the same skill). I mentioned that. It's the only aspect of his game I think hasn't declined.

5) You refused to acknowledge that his dribbling run skill has declined. He can't get past the same number of people at the same speed and at the same time. Simple as that. He himself knows that, that's why he tries so much more these days to either simply retain possession or pass first time.

6) Yes, but that's off-topic. Messi's decline would have happened any way and has nothing to do with how Barca squad was managed

7) Many G/As at the expense of a functional system. I have discussed this extensively in the past. There is a reason why none of his teams past 2019 could be competitive in Europe.

8) You acknowledge something that even a blind man can see, and doesn't affect the core of the narrative you believe. You need more courage than that
Even after yesterday's PSG-RM match, I still can't believe you are still willing to die on this notion that Messi still can't compete in the highest level. Fine, I'll continue this dance with you.

1. No, this is what you concluded with your own words "I make a simple point: watch MEssi tonight against a team that arguably is among current Europe's elite to see his current level". This is not an indication whatsoever.

2. You don't think Busi didn't try to retain possession by not moving? How would you know that he didn't try to do ay of the things that I mentioned? You mentioned that you only seen PSG vs Inter Miami and not the other Miami games.

3. What do you mean there's no stats? I gave you the Sofascore stats, which is more objective than your eye-test. You want another stat? Messi created more big chance vs PSG with an MLS side than Real Madrid's entire squad yesterday.

4 and 5. Passing and playmaking is a a whole different skill lol Dribbling is still good enough, see point #2 to which I also gave you an objective stat of dribbling. Again, you forget the point again that he was injured throughout the tournament, so this is why we are going in circles for this.

6. Sure, decline in acceleration happened which is only natural. It's the board's job to make sure all weaknesses for all players are covered to the best possible way and the board failed miserably on that. This relates to point number 7.

8. Because nothing else has declined? Courage has nothing to do with it. I'm going with eye-test, stats, general consensus, watching games week in and week out.
 

NKMaribor

Active member
Only January - March 2025 version of Flick Barcelona can handle Lucho’s PSG.

@NKMaribor told you you would get slapped around by PSG if they’re serious. Just like Barca slapped you all around. Too weak in midfield and too slow as a team. And garbage pressing.

Thanks for this exceptional insight. Without it, i would still wonder as to why essentially last seasons line-up which was slapped by essentially any decent team out there, was demolished by PSG.

Gracias.
 

NKMaribor

Active member
I am saying he is overvalued and will flop. British teams always pay too much, that doesn't make things smart or good. I also wouldn't keep those as a good valuation of a player.

He is not a 100mil player. That's a starter level for a top team. Is he starting for Real? No. Not sure what these teams see in him.

Fast and agile player. Technically strong. Creative. Can score and assist. Tons of experience at the highest level possible with key memorable matches played. That is what people see in him. He is a starter material in vast majority of top teams out there, and one of the top players in Premiership to happen. Why not Real? Probably he should considering how Vini plays for a while now. But still, RM is insane level. You should know that. Hard to bench Vini and Mbappe, regardless. Meanwhile, you have expensive asset rotting on the bench. Sell, invest again in defense and midfield, and you have done exceptional job. If Vini does not improve, and his chemistry with Mbappe, heck put them on the market next summer. Saudis are itching.

Anyway. Probably that one rare occasion when you don`t scratch your head and wonder, why the frack did they spend 100M on a certain player.
 
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vegitot

Senior Member
Even after yesterday's PSG-RM match, I still can't believe you are still willing to die on this notion that Messi still can't compete in the highest level. Fine, I'll continue this dance with you.

1. No, this is what you concluded with your own words "I make a simple point: watch MEssi tonight against a team that arguably is among current Europe's elite to see his current level". This is not an indication whatsoever.

2. You don't think Busi didn't try to retain possession by not moving? How would you know that he didn't try to do ay of the things that I mentioned? You mentioned that you only seen PSG vs Inter Miami and not the other Miami games.

3. What do you mean there's no stats? I gave you the Sofascore stats, which is more objective than your eye-test. You want another stat? Messi created more big chance vs PSG with an MLS side than Real Madrid's entire squad yesterday.

4 and 5. Passing and playmaking is a a whole different skill lol Dribbling is still good enough, see point #2 to which I also gave you an objective stat of dribbling. Again, you forget the point again that he was injured throughout the tournament, so this is why we are going in circles for this.

6. Sure, decline in acceleration happened which is only natural. It's the board's job to make sure all weaknesses for all players are covered to the best possible way and the board failed miserably on that. This relates to point number 7.

8. Because nothing else has declined? Courage has nothing to do with it. I'm going with eye-test, stats, general consensus, watching games week in and week out.
Mad respect for you. And ask that idiot can current Mbappe, Vinicius and the entire Madrid team play at Europe since they are even worse vs QSG than Miami.
 

NKMaribor

Active member
Ferran had more G+A in laliga last season than every Rodrygo's season bar 22/23. And Ferran played way less minutes.

While Raphinha was already being prepped to be sold in 2024, stayed and produced absolutely insane season. Shows perfectly that Flick outside of his flaws, is absolute unit in terms of offense. Hence, what exactly you think would happen with Rodrygo while playing in 24/25 Barca?

Ferran is absolute donkey in comparison to Rodrygo. Its fascinating this needs to be said.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
vini has shown what he can do for Madrid at the highest level.

Madrid just wanted the best shiny thing, when all they need was a more traditional striker and allow Vini and Bellingham to do there thing.
 

vegitot

Senior Member
While Raphinha was already being prepped to be sold in 2024, stayed and produced absolutely insane season. Shows perfectly that Flick outside of his flaws, is absolute unit in terms of offense. Hence, what exactly you think would happen with Rodrygo while playing in 24/25 Barca?

Ferran is absolute donkey in comparison to Rodrygo. Its fascinating this needs to be said.
I'm sure that Garcia guy or whatever isn't close to half of Ferran and he already benched Rodrygo.

Yeah, EPL team may spend big to buy him if RM are smart enough to sell.
 

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