Lionel "The Greatest of All Time" Messi V2

Maradona37

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I wonder if he reaches 910-920 goals he will start to think seriously about reaching 1000 goals, he would need to play till 42-43 at least though
I don't think he has to - unlike Ronaldo his reputation and ability isn't so closely connected to his goal stats. Everyone knows he's a genius whether he scored 500 goals or 1000.

But yeah guess it would be nice. But he doesn't have to debase himself to Ronaldo levels of stat padding with useless goals as he's doing in Saudi.
 

soul24rage

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The youngest to reach 870 goals.

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Maradona37

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Here's all the goals. The level of finishing is insane. They used to say Ronaldo is a better finisher, but that was another of those massive myths.
Ronaldo is a volume shooter. He takes a lot of shots to score one goal, usually. He was always near or at the top of most shots taken in Europe.

Messi is far more clinical. I think I read somewhere that he scored a similar amount of goals in like 1,000 fewer shots than Ronaldo over career.

And if anyone wants to say Ronaldo takes more difficult shots and more from distance, well that isn't the win they think it is, as that would speak to his lower football IQ and poorer decision making, shooting from miles out all the time. As it is though the eye test supports these stats - I do see Ronaldo miss more in the box generally than Messi.
 

malvolio

Senior Member
And if anyone wants to say Ronaldo takes more difficult shots and more from distance, well that isn't the win they think it is, as that would speak to his lower football IQ and poorer decision making, shooting from miles out all the time. As it is though the eye test supports these stats - I do see Ronaldo miss more in the box generally than Messi.
What are you talking about? Messi just reached 100 goals from open play from outside the box, the most by anyone in history. Ronaldo has 70.

There isn't a single competition where Ronaldo beats Messi from outside the box. Ronaldo being a better long range shooter is a myth.

 

Maradona37

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What are you talking about? Messi just reached 100 goals from open play from outside the box, the most by anyone in history. Ronaldo has 70.

There isn't a single competition where Ronaldo beats Messi from outside the box. Ronaldo being a better long range shooter is a myth.

Some reading comprehension issues here me thinks, or taking too much offence as if I said something negative about Messi (when I actually quoted that to praise him and slag Penaldo)...

I never said that Ronaldo was better outside the box - I said he tries far too many shots from distance, because he is a selfish moronic cunt. If anything I am saying how overrated his long-range shooting is as he skies so many into the car park.

I am aware Messi scores more from outside the box and about that stat. Messi tries less from outside the box but scores more. He also scores more in the box. Why? because, as I said, he's a far more clinical finisher in general. Hence my comment that Ronaldo has taken about a thousand more shots to score a similar number of goals.

Stop being so defensive when my post was praising Messi.

Edit: I can see why you might have inferred wrongly what I meant, as I never specifically said Ronaldo was missing a lot with those shots, and it could be read as poor IQ but him scoring a lot. That was not my intention. I figured that would be clear as we all see him miss from miles out often (in his prime definitely), but maybe not.
 
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malvolio

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Some reading comprehension issues here me thinks, or taking too much offence as if I said something negative about Messi (when I actually quoted that to praise him and slag Penaldo)...

I never said that Ronaldo was better outside the box - I said he tries far too many shots from distance, because he is a selfish moronic cunt. If anything I am saying how overrated his long-range shooting is as he skies so many into the car park.

I am aware Messi scores more from outside the box and about that stat. Messi tries less from outside the box but scores more. He also scores more in the box. Why? because, as I said, he's a far more clinical finisher in general. Hence my comment that Ronaldo has taken about a thousand more shots to score a similar number of goals.

Stop being so defensive when my post was praising Messi.

Edit: I can see why you might have inferred wrongly what I meant, as I never specifically said Ronaldo was missing a lot with those shots, and it could be read as poor IQ but him scoring a lot. That was not my intention. I figured that would be clear as we all see him miss from miles out often (in his prime definitely), but maybe not.
The fuck you talking about you old cunt? :lol: I didn't took no offense in what you posted.

That website explains it very well - ChatGPT generated probably.

It's worth noting the contrasting style of Messi and Ronaldo's goals from outside the box. Messi's tend to be bent in from the edge of the D with controlled power. He is considerably less likely to shoot from long range, usually preferring to dribble or continue the build-up play until he's in a more likely scoring position.

Ronaldo on the other hand is more partial to your typical "screamer", often attempting thunderous efforts from 25+ yards out. He is much more willing to hit speculative efforts, with the confidence that he has the ability and power to beat the keeper from almost anywhere.

Overall, despite Ronaldo's reputation for powerful long range efforts, it's not really surprising that Messi has the better numbers in this category
 

Maradona37

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The fuck you talking about you old cunt? :lol: I didn't took no offense in what you posted.

That website explains it very well - ChatGPT generated probably.

It's worth noting the contrasting style of Messi and Ronaldo's goals from outside the box. Messi's tend to be bent in from the edge of the D with controlled power. He is considerably less likely to shoot from long range, usually preferring to dribble or continue the build-up play until he's in a more likely scoring position.

Ronaldo on the other hand is more partial to your typical "screamer", often attempting thunderous efforts from 25+ yards out. He is much more willing to hit speculative efforts, with the confidence that he has the ability and power to beat the keeper from almost anywhere.

Overall, despite Ronaldo's reputation for powerful long range efforts, it's not really surprising that Messi has the better numbers in this category
Tbh, with the way you talk down to myself and other people, and the total lack of need for it, it's abundantly apparent you are younger and immature. And I wouldn't call 43 particularly 'old' either. It's middle aged but most guys on here are about late 30s anyway. There's plenty older guys on here than 20s. and early 30s.

Why you getting so defensive then? Nothing I said implied Ronaldo was better from distance. You acted like I said Ronaldo is better outside the box, which I didn't say or allude to once in the post you quoted.

Yes I am aware of that. Messi shoots more from the 18-25 range whereas Ronaldo is more likely to score from miles out than Messi - but far less frequently. Messi scores from closer to or in the D, but he doesn't have as many as the likes of Ronaldo and Gerrard from the extreme long range eg the Porto goal. As that says too, Messi is more likely to dribble or pass, yes everyone knows that.

I also think that speaks well of Messi too - shooting from the edge of the box is more about placement than power in messi's case (many of his goals from outside the box are side-footed or caressed into the goal with accuracy) whereas a Gerrard or Ronaldo tends to smash it - a screamer as that say - which is more about luck. Hence it being harder to score from further out, and why Messi has far more success than Ronaldo at outside the box shooting - better selection and football IQ, and not trying things he is very unlikely to succeed with i.e shooting from miles out.

So yes, that AI explanation is not surprising.

I was actually gonna note this distinction between closer range accuracy and speculative shots miles out, but I didn't bother as expected you would take it as criticism on Messi because I said Ronaldo is more likely to score (though not many) from 30-40 yards, but glad to see you actually agree with that. Well done.

Overall, you seem to have picked an argument with me when we agree on everything here. This is one of the more bizarre encounters I have had on here. Cheers.
 

malvolio

Senior Member
Tbh, with the way you talk down to myself and other people, and the total lack of need for it, it's abundantly apparent you are younger and immature. And I wouldn't call 43 particularly 'old' either. It's middle aged but most guys on here are about late 30s anyway. There's plenty older guys on here than 20s. and early 30s.

Why you getting so defensive then? Nothing I said implied Ronaldo was better from distance. You acted like I said Ronaldo is better outside the box, which I didn't say or allude to once in the post you quoted.

Yes I am aware of that. Messi shoots more from the 18-25 range whereas Ronaldo is more likely to score from miles out than Messi - but far less frequently. Messi scores from closer to or in the D, but he doesn't have as many as the likes of Ronaldo and Gerrard from the extreme long range eg the Porto goal. As that says too, Messi is more likely to dribble or pass, yes everyone knows that.

I also think that speaks well of Messi too - shooting from the edge of the box is more about placement than power in messi's case (many of his goals from outside the box are side-footed or caressed into the goal with accuracy) whereas a Gerrard or Ronaldo tends to smash it - a screamer as that say - which is more about luck. Hence it being harder to score from further out, and why Messi has far more success than Ronaldo at outside the box shooting - better selection and football IQ, and not trying things he is very unlikely to succeed with i.e shooting from miles out.

So yes, that AI explanation is not surprising.

I was actually gonna note this distinction between closer range accuracy and speculative shots miles out, but I didn't bother as expected you would take it as criticism on Messi because I said Ronaldo is more likely to score (though not many) from 30-40 yards, but glad to see you actually agree with that. Well done.

Overall, you seem to have picked an argument with me when we agree on everything here. This is one of the more bizarre encounters I have had on here. Cheers.
I'm about your age, old man. Stop acting like you can't take some banter.
 

Maradona37

Well-known member
I'm about your age, old man. Stop acting like you can't take some banter.
Fair enough. I can take the banter.

Either way, we agree. I guess it was just a bit eyebrow-raising that you thought I was praising Ronaldo over Messi for this when you know I hate Ronaldo, probably even more than you do, and wouldn't go out my way to say anything good about him.

I am away to get my hot water bottle and nap now. These old eyes need their sleep. Night.
 

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