Liverpool - RIP Diogo Jota

ajnotkeith said:

It is sad just like every other tragic death is. But he lived a great life and achieved many things. Many don't get the chance to live a life at all.

For those who did not know him, they shouldn't feel any type of way about this news, unless maybe perhaps they are Liverpool fans or fans of the player specifically. Such is life, it is indifferent, and indeed plenty of people face far harder trials and they are unspoken of, invisible to the world.

His death doesn't carry value over another's tragic death because he is a footballer.

It is part of the growing obsession society has with fame and status, with a dearth of genuine humanity. Instead of crying over a footballer you don't know, go spend some time with your dad who put food on the table for you.

Society has progressed so far in some facets morally but this is one of the areas we are starting to falter. We are losing a collective human consciousness.

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Agree with that too.

I would say though that implying Liverpool fans should care more about it than other football fans is part of the celebrity worship problem, or more pertinently the issue of tribalism and us vs them in football. Sure they watched him more, but he was as much of a stranger to the average Liverpool fan as he was the average Napoli or Atletico fan, for instance.

I made my feelings clear above anyway. But I totally agree with you on the epidemic of celebrity worship in our society - it's completely out of control. But not sure this thread is the right time or place for the discussion.

malvolio said:

What's that disrespectful? It's not like I wished this to happen to him or his family.

But at the end of the day he gets the media attention more than an average Joe because he is a millionaire and a footballer for Liverpool FC.

And most of the footballers are idiots that just happened to play football in an era when the sport is driven by insane amounts of money.

At the end of the day he did it to himself. A Lamborghini doesn't just self-combust while casually driving at 100kph. Police just didn't want the media circus around the case right now, probably that's why they released some half-assed statements about a possible tire explosion and no reference to the speed he was going.

You lot want some real drama to cry over? Look up the ongoing Texas floods and how those poor kids got buried alive in their sleep. Now that's real drama.

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Dude humans arent rational, ofc we feel more emotional connected to ppl we know

Unfortunately, its not the first time football players die because of an car accident, think its the most common reason why they died in young age

poor kids

Apparently Diaz didnt go to funeral of Jota because of an influencer event??

MonteCuler said:

Concept of 28 year old father with 3 little kids, just married dying in a car crash with his brother is sad and depressing. Even if it happened to someone you never heard of

The examples of over dramatic reactions are unnecessary and also fake. But certain level of compassion for this exists in every normal human being

And there is no compassion or respect in calling him an idiot for this. It's utterly disrespectful. Nobody knows the circumstances. Maybe those calling him an idiot would end up the same. But it's people who are known to be ignorant, thinking they know everything and it can never happen to them

It's ugly. Imagine your friend or family dies in a car crash like this and some super smart guy calls him an idiot because he thinks it's his fault. Don't know about your reactions I would probably beat the fuck out of that super smart guy. But this is internet so no consequences and you can say whatever you want unfortunately. And it's not like any Jota friends or family is going to read this, but it changes nothing. You show your disrespect for no reason, just trying to be smart

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This concept that you are talking about is based only on blind empathy.

If you are a young 28 year old guy, father of 3 little kids, just married, you don't drive a Lamborghini in the middle of the night. And stop with this fake shite "nobody knows the circumstances". A Lamborghini was being driven in the middle of the night and was basically obliterated. Do you really think he was doing 80kph just strolling along and this freak event happened that killed them both and barely left anything out of that car?

I repeat, the man was an idiot because he took an idiotic decision. He was a millionaire, he could have had a motorcade driving him to were he needed to be. Instead he chose to speed in his Lambo in the middle of the night.

And stop with this fear of being labelled an idiot yourself, because that's mostly what it is. If I would take the same decisions Jota took and I wind up dead then I'm an idiot. All of us in here have taken some stupid decision in life that could have been the last one.

Calling a guy an idiot for taking stupid decisions isn't disrespect. But you do you, cry over Jota dying if that makes you feel better.

ajnotkeith said:

For those who did not know him, they shouldn't feel any type of way about this news, unless maybe perhaps they are Liverpool fans or fans of the player specifically.

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Maybe that's how it is in your culture. For me I feel compassion and understanding of struggle even for people I never heard of and don't know well

Again, it doesn't matter he's a famous footballer. I would be sad about such a scenario even if it was someone not popular at all. Not in tragedy, not in mourning, not destroyed by it - as some people on social media reacted to it, largely in a false narrative, just for interactions - but just sad

I always knew Malvolio is a sick fuck,

his posts about Jota just confirm it...

It's a sad story, but virtue signaling wont get him back.

Even the police is starting to confirm what was obvious from the get go - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4l1n45l1xo

"Everything also points to a possible excessive speed beyond the speed limit of the road [highway]," said Zamora's local traffic police.

Now let's all cry for this idiot.

He was obviously speeding, your don't die in a crash like that going 60 kph

Of course it is sad, but the important thing is to NOT make yourself sad by it. As there are a million and one things in the world that are sad, and worthy of your sadness, as much as this tragedy this. And if you engage in this sadness, you will perennially be sad, as the world is a generally horrible place.

Which would actually be okay, if your sadness actually helped any of the tragic things you are sad about, in even the most minuscule of ways. But it doesn't. You just sit there being sad all day, not positively effecting anyone or anything, consoling yourself with the myth that you are 'kind and caring', even though what you are infact engaging in is something more akin to mental illness.

Of course, you need to be a very strong minded individual to take an attitude on life, where you accept everything, and continue on in high spirits, regardless. You will inevitable be accused of being cold and selfish by the lunatics who want you to share in their misery.

Jota's death was tragic, if I ever were to meet his family I would show them COMPASSION. But I forgot about it after a few moments and his family were never in my thoughts after, just like they weren't in anyone thoughts here either ( that's just a comment for virtue signalling types ).

Look after your mental health folks. Don't make yourselves sad for no reason because peer pressure says that your sadness is a sign of virtuousity.

Accept all that you can't control. God is in charge, after all, and He makes no errors. In terms of errors, God still has a clean sheet.

With all the grief and mourning for Jota, I've never read one suggestion that he might have killed his own brother with recklessly speeding, like the official police reports suggesting. If true, imagine the football world mourns you, the majority never really cared that your brother was in the car as well and that you killed him racing like an idiot.

Sympathy turns off people's brains.

Loki said:

With all the grief and mourning for Jota, I've never read one suggestion that he might have killed his own brother with recklessly speeding.

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For all we know though his brother might have been encouraging him to go faster. It's not like Jota forced him into the car or tied him to the seat (I know you aren't suggesting he did force him lol).

Just saying his brother probably knew before getting in the car they'd be in a hurry. But yeah, it would take a special mindset to refuse to get in a car with your brother when he needs you and/or you both need to be somewhere.

Loki said:

With all the grief and mourning for Jota, I've never read one suggestion that he might have killed his own brother with recklessly speeding, like the official police reports suggesting. If true, imagine the football world mourns you, the majority never really cared that your brother was in the car as well and that you killed him racing like an idiot.

Sympathy turns off people's brains.

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Bolded is the way of the world, sadly. People care far more about famous people, and Jota was far more famous than his brother.

If I was in a car accident/collision with Justin Bieber, for example, people would mourn him and forget about me, even if he was at fault. George Best mourned, funeral on TV, while other wife beaters and alcoholics die in disgrace. The way it is.

Maradona37 said:

Bolded is the way of the world, sadly. People care far more about famous people, and Jota was far more famous than his brother.

If I was in a car accident/collision with Justin Bieber, for example, people would mourn him and forget about me, even if he was at fault. George Best mourned, funeral on TV, while other wife beaters and alcoholics die in disgrace. The way it is.

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Yes of course, but when the report is also suggesting that he was the driver and was speeding, it becomes something more than just caring for a celebrity. In the worst case, the public narrative supports a killer.

In any case, didn't want to open a big topic on this, as he's dead. Was just a thought when I saw all the mourning in today's game again.

Maradona37 said:

For all we know though his brother might have been encouraging him to go faster. It's not like Jota forced him into the car or tied him to the seat (I know you aren't suggesting he did force him lol).

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That's no argument here though, is it. The driver is always the responsible one, no matter what passengers say or do. And sure it's always also your own risk getting into a car with someone, but if it's friends or in this case, the closest family, you automatically trust them. As a driver, you are responsible for every passenger in your car and others as well. That's what my driving instructor told me back in the days, and my own logic.
Personally, I'd fine reckless driving way harsher if it's risking people's lifes.