Club World Cup

Horatio

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One more round but then they gotta go. Winning this thing will be a bigger boost than the fatigue will be a negative.
I don’t think so.

Cause it took away the opportunity for players to mentally reset.

But who knows. Real players might get holidays during preseason since this tournament could be considered part of prep work.
 

FC B

Senior Member
How Madrid fans watch their team I will never know. It's the most basic, low grade stuff.

Hail Mary cross at the first opportunity. Any loose balls around the box ? Shoot the ball immediately.

There's absolutely no interplay, no creativity, no teamwork, no running with the ball, no intent to dominate the game or the ball.

It's like watching an expensive Stoke City.

Cules are blessed. :flick:

They only care about triophies and results, not about the beauty of their game, they are as close to a plastic/glory hunter definition as it gets.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
- I already gave you one example (sneak peek)

- All the other players like Vini, Kvaratskhelia, Doue, and Olise can also kick the ball through or around a player, but Messi is still the number 1 in dribbling in the whole tournament ahead of all other players at the age of 37-38 and shows that he still got it.

- Again, he's injured so common sense dictates that a player would rather pass the ball than run with the ball. Also when situation dictates, he would pass than dribble even in open space (in 18/19 vs Liverpool game away, his pass to Coutinho to which Coutinho fluffed it is one example)

Shot power and precision is still there. See below


Acceleration, I'll give you that because that's only natural with age, but it's still good enough in Europe.

I watch all of Messi's games, including friendlies and see his news everyday. From the news provided, I know all the ins and outs of him and the players (injuries, team morale, formation and tactics) while you are basing everything about the player based on 1 game only, so you don't know all the context. So yes, I would be a more objective person in this scenario.

Well, you watch Messi against fodder MLS teams, so in that context the abilities he still has get overblown, while the ones he doesn't do not appear to be a problem. I waited for the PSG game to see, after 2 years, what's his level against top opponents. Simple...

All the players you mention have the ability to take on the opponent, and run like crazy with the ball. I explained you how dribbles are calculated. If you can retain the ball by avoiding the opponent, yet do not gain meters on him, that's a problem and it shows against good team.

What you posted shows Messi free taking his time to kick the ball. That's closer to a free-kick or a corner. When I talk about power/precision I refer to cases of shooting under pressure. He used to shove those in, despite the pressure.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
I don’t think so.

Cause it took away the opportunity for players to mentally reset.

But who knows. Real players might get holidays during preseason since this tournament could be considered part of prep work.

Real stand no chance against PSG under normal circumstances.
I say this because we know in football anything can happen. City went out to Al Hilal the other day

But I also think Dortmund can pose them problems. Bigger bar than Juve
 

Fati_Future_BallonDor

Well-known member
The Juve keeper was absolute insane, without him Real would have won with 3-4 goals difference but even City won 5-2 vs them so that proves nothing

Now Dortmund vs Real in quarter final ⚡️⚡️
 

Haraldinho

Well-known member
City is wearing shirt with old club world cup winner badge. Real is wearing shirt with intercontinental cup winner badge.

Guys need to flex even it is shit.
 

Loki

Well-known member
Sorry if it was already here, but :lol:
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soul24rage

Senior Member
Well, you watch Messi against fodder MLS teams, so in that context the abilities he still has get overblown, while the ones he doesn't do not appear to be a problem. I waited for the PSG game to see, after 2 years, what's his level against top opponents. Simple...

All the players you mention have the ability to take on the opponent, and run like crazy with the ball. I explained you how dribbles are calculated. If you can retain the ball by avoiding the opponent, yet do not gain meters on him, that's a problem and it shows against good team.

What you posted shows Messi free taking his time to kick the ball. That's closer to a free-kick or a corner. When I talk about power/precision I refer to cases of shooting under pressure. He used to shove those in, despite the pressure.
- So you are basing all of Messi's level based on 1 game only against PSG, the European Champions? With that logic, then someone like Bastoni wouldn't hack it vs top oppositions anymore since his team got blown away 5-0 against the same opponent. I'm basing everything about his level in that one game.

- For Dribble, with that logic, Busquets would be high up there because he can retain the ball by avoiding the opponent.

- For Shooting under pressure, I have no idea what you want. You need to be a lot more specific. You want this? This is a goal vs Lloris a couple of months ago


Eye test, stats, general consensus vs PSG all indicate that he has shown the level to compete at the highest level, even playing when injured throughout the tournament to which this point is conveniently ignored constantly. If you can't see that, to which I don't think you will ever do, then I can't help you at all. At this point, you are getting incredibly nitpicky trying to find little things here and there.

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zanela

Senior Member
A non-European club winning it would be good for a change. BVB aside, I couldn't care for the remaining European clubs, much less QSG. The kind of vitriol and abuse their fans hurl at Barca and its players pales in comparison to anything Barca's subjected to at the domestic level (minus Madrid). And their manager had no qualms demeaning this team in their previous encounter. He's joined the enemy ranks and will be treated as such. All this nostalgia is for the weak. No self-respecting Barca fan will ever cheer for QSG.
 

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